IS LORD KRISHNA AND LORD JESUS CHRIST THE SAME PERSON?

[Radian]

I HAVE STUDIED THIS THEORY THAT LORD KRISHNA AND JESUS CRIST IS THE SAME PERSON REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE HOLD BIBLE SAY ABOUT JESUS CRIST.MY MOTHER SAYS THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF LORD KRISHNA AND I BELEIVE THIS BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE NAMES KRISHNA AND CRIST IT ALMOST PRONUNSE THE SAME.IN THE GITA LORD KRISHNA SAY'S 'THAT PEOPLE WHO WORSHIP OTHER GODS ACTUALLY WORSHIP ME BUT THEY DO SO IN A WRONG WAY'.

WHAT DO YOU THINK.

AGTSP
AGTHHBTS
PAMHO

Your Mom is right, Prabhu (don't you just HATE that about Moms?) Jesus is Krishna's Son, and a shaktyavesa avatar, as is Srila Prabhupada.

your servant,

Bhuvana.

[Nicholas]

We are all Krishna's children so that doesn't really solve the problem here does it???
For one who is so inclined, read "The Path of the Masters" by Julian Johnson for answers about Jesus and His relation to God. It is thorough and utterly absorbing.

Hare Krishna

Hare Krishna,

Throughout Bhagavad-gita Lord Krishna, Himself, establishes that He is the Supreme Lord - He is God.

In the Christian Scriptures, Jesus makes it known that He is the son of God.

We get the information of Their postions directly from Them in the scriptures.

your servant,
Rukmini-Devi dasi

Hare Krishna,

Here is a very nice quote from Srila Prabhupada.

"So if anyone loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus Christ also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus Christ he must love Krishna." - Srila Prabhupada, May 12,1969

your servant,
Rukmini-Devi dasi

[Sri Joyan]

I HAVE STUDIED THIS THEORY THAT LORD KRISHNA AND JESUS CRIST IS THE SAME PERSON REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE HOLD BIBLE SAY ABOUT JESUS CRIST.MY MOTHER SAYS THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF LORD KRISHNA AND I BELEIVE THIS BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE NAMES KRISHNA AND CRIST IT ALMOST PRONUNSE THE SAME.

WHAT DO YOU THINK.

Jesus lived two thousand years ago, Krsna lived five thousand years ago.

=)

[Janardana_123]

There is no character mentioned in the original text
of the Bible that is Jesus. His name is Yashua.
His father is named YHVH (Jahovah). In the Bible
we are told that the advasary is a bejeweled
flute playing lacivious youth. We are also warned
against doctrines of demons in 2 Timothy.

A Bishop in the Russian Orthodox Church in Russia
recently stated that Krsna is Satan.......

May the Truth Prevail

[honeyflowerservant]

—This lecture was originally published in The Harmonist
in 1936, on the advent day of His Divine Grace Om
Vishnuupada Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur

By His Divine Grace
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
Founder-Acharya of the International Society
for Krishna Consciousness

In ten short years, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada inundated the world with Krishna Consciousness. In the following excerpt from one of his essays, he smashes the sectarian misconception that the spiritual master is limited to a particular person, form, or institution, and establishes the universal conception of guru.


In the revealed scriptures it is declared that the
spiritual master should be worshiped like the Supreme
Personality of Godhead, and this injunction is obeyed
by pure devotees of the Lord. The spiritual master is the
most confidential servant of the Lord. Thus let us offer
our respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of our spiritual
master....

.... Thus it has been enjoined herewith that in order to
receive that transcendental knowledge, one must
approach the guru. Therefore, if the Absolute Truth is
one, about which we think there is no difference of
opinion, the guru cannot be two. The ÅchÅryadeva to
whom we have assembled tonight to offer our humble
homage is not the guru of a sectarian institution or one
out of many differing exponents of the truth. On the
contrary, he is the jagad-guru, or the guru of all of us: the
only difference is that some obey him wholeheartedly,
while others do not obey him directly.



Jaya Srila Prabhupada

[madhu]

Jesus lived two thousand years ago, Krsna lived five thousand years ago.

=)
Jaya Srila Prabupada, No offence Prabhuji..just joking...Sri Krishna & Lord Jesus Christ may have appeared 5000 and 2000 yrs ago respectively, but i am very happy to report, that they are both very much still alive.....Jaya Srila Gurudeva. Ps Srila Prabupada is also alive,
May you never forget The Blessed Lord ..YS Madhu

[honeyflowerservant]

Srila Prabhupada: Actually, it doesn't matter -- Krishna or Christ -- the name is the same. The main point is to follow the injunctions of the Vedic scriptures that recommend chanting the name of God in this age. The easiest way is to chant the maha-mantra: Hare Krishna Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna Hare Hare/ Hare Rama Hare Rama, Rama Rama Hare Hare. Rama and Krishna are names of God and Hare is the energy of God. So when we chant the maha-mantra we address God along with His energy. This energy is of two kinds, the spiritual and the material. At present we are in the clutches of the material energy. Therefore we pray to Krishna that He may kindly deliver us from the service of the material energy and accept us into the service of the spiritual energy. This is our whole philosophy. Hare Krishna means, "O energy of God, O God (Krishna), please engage me in Your service." It is our nature to render service. Somehow or other we have come to the service of material things, but when this service is transformed into the service of the spiritual energy, then our life is perfect. To practice bhakti-yoga [loving service to God] means to become free from designations like Hindu, Muslim, Christian, this or that, and simply to serve God. We have created Christian, Hindu and Mohammedan religions, but when we come to a religion without designations, in which we don't think we are Hindus or Christians or Mohammedans, then we can speak of pure religion, or bhakti.

Father Emmanuel: Mukti? [liberation from material miseries]

Srila Prabhupada: No, bhakti. When we speak of bhakti, mukti is included. Without bhakti, there is no mukti, but if we act on the platform of bhakti, then mukti is included.

[abhishek]

Maybe someone can explain to me, but I have some doubts...

Now If Krishna is the father of Jesus, and Jesus is a "God" but the son of "the God Krishna" then they must have the same manerism or idealism.
Jesus said in his bible, "I and my father are one." So we must see oneness between Lord Krishna and Jesus. But I dont see this...
It is written that Jesus is perfect, never made any errors, and Jesus says he does not his own will, but his father that is in heaven. If Krishna is the father of Jesus, then Jesus and Krishna must do and be the same in many ways. But I dont see this
Here are Examples...
When Jesus was young he was at the temples, preaching truth in the temples. He spokes to scholars and was very educated in the truth.
It is said, that when Lord Krishna was young, he saw a man having sex with his wife, by looking through the house window. While watching them make love, he decided to throw a poisonous Scorpion in the bed, while they were having sex.

Jesus for one had no wives, and he said it was a sin to marry more than one wife...
It is said, That Lord Krishna had 6 thousand wives.

Jesus said do not lust after another woman, and he also said not to steal.
It is said, that Lord Krishna would take womans clothing while they took baths in lakes.

Jesus said he and his father are one, I do not see how Krishna and Lord Jesus are the same. Please explain, I want to learn.

[madhu]

Maybe someone can explain to me, but I have some doubts...

Now If Krishna is the father of Jesus, and Jesus is a "God" but the son of "the God Krishna" then they must have the same manerism or idealism.
Jesus said in his bible, "I and my father are one." So we must see oneness between Lord Krishna and Jesus. But I dont see this...
It is written that Jesus is perfect, never made any errors, and Jesus says he does not his own will, but his father that is in heaven. If Krishna is the father of Jesus, then Jesus and Krishna must do and be the same in many ways. But I dont see this
Here are Examples...
When Jesus was young he was at the temples, preaching truth in the temples. He spokes to scholars and was very educated in the truth.
It is said, that when Lord Krishna was young, he saw a man having sex with his wife, by looking through the house window. While watching them make love, he decided to throw a poisonous Scorpion in the bed, while they were having sex.

Jesus for one had no wives, and he said it was a sin to marry more than one wife...
It is said, That Lord Krishna had 6 thousand wives.

Jesus said do not lust after another woman, and he also said not to steal.
It is said, that Lord Krishna would take womans clothing while they took baths in lakes.

Jesus said he and his father are one, I do not see how Krishna and Lord Jesus are the same. Please explain, I want to learn.
Hare Krsna..Abhishek, All Glories to you..my name is Madhu,
Lord Jesus descended in order to show us how to behave as good sons & devoted servants of The Supreme Autocratic Lord.
Lord Krsna IS that very Lord! He is the Supreme Enjoyer, and He descended to display His pastimes, which may appear similar to our's but are pure and uncontaminated by lust and malice. Krsna is absolute and His deeds give pleasure to all, even His so-called stealing.. How can God steal what He owns anyway? Our stealing & cheating causes pain to others... Krsna's deeds only give joy. We are here trying to imitate Him.. Lord Jesus shows us how to surrender to Krsna & return home. Also,you say.. "So we must see oneness between Lord Krishna and Jesus. But I don't see this..." This is a presumption on your part, The Supreme is by nature SUPREME...so there is no question of "must", if so, then "must" would be God. Also, you say " If Krishna is the father of Jesus, then Jesus and Krishna must do and be the same in many ways. But I dont see this"
We see what God allows us to see. He is the Supreme Hypnotist.
Also, who says Jesus had no wives, are they bona fide? Actually Sri Krsna has 1,008 wives, but He has 1,008 forms also..i hope i have been of some help. i gotta go, my beautiful baby is feeling sick. Gauranga.

[abhishek]

My friend you have some very valid points...

Lord Jesus descended in order to show us how to behave as good sons & devoted servants of The Supreme Autocratic Lord.

Yes, you are right, Jesus did say he was the way, truth, and the life. And we both agree He is the manifestation of God, but with different opinions on whom the father is. Now I have a hard time believing your words. See there are many Lord Krishna devotees, and they admit Jesus is God, and he is an example. But why dont they do what he says? If he is the light shining to God (?Krishna? ) then why dont most Krishna devotees follow his teachings?

Actually Sri Krsna has 1,008 wives, but He has 1,008 forms also..i hope i have been of some help

I have a few doubts that maybe you can answer... Lord Krishna has many forms, or manifestations. And they are all examples for the people to learn and follow. Yet they almost all teach things in contrary to eachother. They are not consistent.

Nearly 3000 years back the Aryans came to India, and they have written to Hindu literary and scriptures, like Mahabharatham. In the Mahabharatham you find Brahmans. The Indian history claims that the Brahmans came to India nearly 3 thousand years ago. But the Stories that they have written are from over 3 thousad years ago. If they came to India 3 thousand years ago, how can these stories that they were written, take place in India and at the same time exist so long ago, if they only came 3 thousand years ago?

Jesus Christ is consistant... and his teachings make no error.

[sundara7631]

dear sir, very respectfully I must reply, Krishna is called achintya or inconcievable, in other words HE is beyond our material senses or reasoning power to understand. All His activities are pure and faultless, and all the activities of this world are but shadow or perverted reflections of them. All we can do is commit offences by judging Krishna according to our imperfect senses. It is stated the senses must become completely purified to undernd Krishna properly and even serve Him, To say the trees in the reflection of the lake are the same as the one's one's the land is simply rediculous. Anyway, Krishna is only understood in truth, by approaching a bonafide spiritual master with complete submission and a service attitude. The challenging attitude only makes offenses and blocks one from having any hope of understanding Krishna. Krishna says that Himself in His most celebrated song, the Bhagavad-gita. If we an not even understand our real identity as eternal souls and servants of God, how we to understand God, Himself. Only Krishna's devotees see Him everywhere, in everyone's heart, because they see only spiritually and not materially. Krishna is simply not material, and right now, our mind, intelligence and bodys and senses are all material. Thus, we must become spiritualised by fully engaging ourselves in the service of Krishna's pure representative first, really and when our eyes have been tinged by the spiritual salve of love, than only will be able to see and understand the all attractive, all charming form of Krishna, known as Shyamasundara , Krishna can expand Himself into unlimited Forms, so therefor His expanding Himself to be with His 1,108 wives was an insignificant show of Krishna's ability Prabhupada said. Krishna is simply unlimited in every respect, and no one is equal to or greater than Him. And Krishna comes to this world Himself or through His Servants also to manifest uncommon activities, no possible for any common man to perform. To try to judhe Krishna is as foolish as a frog trying to judge the ocean, and only after he simply heard about it. All he can do is make comprisons from the pond he lives in, it is simply not possible for Him to concieve. Krishna says Knowledge about Him is transcendental and most confidential knowledge and onl His deotees can understand Him, in truth... That is all...

I have a few doubts that maybe you can answer... Lord Krishna has many forms, or manifestations. And they are all examples for the people to learn and follow. Yet they almost all teach things in contrary to eachother. They are not consistent.
Nearly 3000 years back the Aryans came to India, and they have written to Hindu literary and scriptures, like Mahabharatham. In the Mahabharatham you find Brahmans. The Indian history claims that the Brahmans came to India nearly 3 thousand years ago. But the Stories that they have written are from over 3 thousad years ago. If they came to India 3 thousand years ago, how can these stories that they were written, take place in India and at the same time exist so long ago, if they only came 3 thousand years ago?

Jesus Christ is consistant... and his teachings make no error.


I think we need to look at the time when both took birth, compare the social cultures prevailing at that time, and based on that we will understand, why the teachings and behaviour differ.

From time to time many saints and gods have taken birth on earth, but their teachings were different, but the goal remained same.

Three words:

Time
Place
Circumstances


I have a few doubts that maybe you can answer... Lord Krishna has many forms, or manifestations. And they are all examples for the people to learn and follow. Yet they almost all teach things in contrary to eachother. They are not consistent.
Nearly 3000 years back the Aryans came to India, and they have written to Hindu literary and scriptures, like Mahabharatham. In the Mahabharatham you find Brahmans. The Indian history claims that the Brahmans came to India nearly 3 thousand years ago. But the Stories that they have written are from over 3 thousad years ago. If they came to India 3 thousand years ago, how can these stories that they were written, take place in India and at the same time exist so long ago, if they only came 3 thousand years ago?

Jesus Christ is consistant... and his teachings make no error.


I think we need to look at the time when both took birth, compare the social cultures prevailing at that time, and based on that we will understand, why the teachings and behaviour differ.

From time to time many saints and gods have taken birth on earth, but their teachings were different, but the goal remained same.

[Sara]

Jesus has no father! He has a mother only, her name was Mary. And she was a virgin. If Mary was a virgin, then how is't possible that Jesus would have a father? So how can you guys are linking Krishna and Jesus? If you have some Scripture to proof this statement then do it so. Don't just make an assumption only because their names are similar...



~Believe the Truth Only~

[Angelallah]

NO! You have the Father energy and the Mother energy from these comes the twins Jesus and Lucifer.
These two twins act on the divine level and are to guide the humans. Then there is the Ancients, these are the ones who created the human bodies.
Above the Divine Mother /Father is the Eternal level. the eternal Mother. Krishna's energy (yahweh) comes from the Eternal Mother/ Ancients.
How do I know I carry the energy of Rama the twin of Yahweh, I expect to be tossed off this list in due time but by that time the seeds will be sown. Why has Iskcon no energy, Since Yahweh was ordered to step back the energy has become less.
No Krishna is not supreme there is always more. The Cosmos always expands. There is always a greater behind any great. Only in the 3D can there be Gods, Elsewhere all energies exist in equality.
Ask within your heart for there you will find the Divine Mother which is the same as the para-atma.
I am not proposing beliefs. Go past beliefs and accept only what you know. Toss beliefs out then if it is true it will come back.
The Earth is about to under go some big time changes, The Iskcon teaching of Kaliyuga no longer applies.
I request all to live by the three principles of Equality, Unity and Truth. The age of gurus is over. All can connect. Beyond the Eternal is the One. This One is not the crap the devotees talk about as being the light from krishna. I have great respect for devotees but most are blind leading the blind.
Can everyone walk side by side with me? This we will see.

[Sara]

NO! You have the Father energy and the Mother energy from these comes the twins Jesus and Lucifer.


What do you exactly mean by this statement? Don't you believe or agree that Mary, mother of Jesus, was a virgin?



~Believe Only The Thruth~

[pardeep saini]

@ abhishek
hare krishna prabhu!
i would like to add that christ and jesus are different in words.
christ stands for god and jesus stands for the one who is mentioned as son of god. and there is one more thing jesus was married to a lady named "marry mangdela". although the truth was not revealed to the world. if u want to know more just read "da vinci code" a novel.

[suekeno2005]

Hare Krishna all!

All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

OK, I have done enough Bible study to find major differences in Christ's word and Krishna's word.

For example, Christ was our sacrifice. His BLOOD was shed to make us pure enough to be forgiven our sins. There is only one way into heaven and that is by accepting Lord Jesus as our Saviour, we will be allowed into heaven. These statements are clearly made in the Bible. If anyone can show me how this correlates with Lord Krishna's teachings, I would greatly appreciate it because I am having a hard time accepting the Bible (which is accepted as God's word). The teachings in there, if the Bible's God and Krishna are one and the same, are directly in conflict.

The Bible states that man is naturally sinful and needed a "sacrifice" (Jesus) to purify us. Krishna Consciousness states that man is basically good and all he needs is to have his Krishna Consciousnees awakened to be able come to God.

The Bible states at death - Heaven or Hell - no other option. Krishna Consciousness states that we (our eternal soul that is) will return to this earth according to the laws of karma.

These are just a few of the major discrepancies I have seen. And being raised (and born-again) Christian previously, and now a believer of Krishna I have not been able to reconcile the two religions. They are in direct conflict with each other, and I do not think you an believe in both. What is the corect answer? I don't know yet as I am still learning about Krishna. But Krishna's presences is strong in my life, and He will give me the answers.

Any help from you would also be appreciated. I want to learn.

your servant,

Sue

P.S. The Da Vinci Code was a novel, meaning:fiction

[tirthadas]

Hare Krishna, Sue.

All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.

I've seen your posts on this and other forums related to Krishna consciousness, and reading the above post prompted me to register here so I could reply to it. You are a very sincere person, and your questions deserve sincere and balanced answers.

Regarding Christianity, I'll try to address your concerns. I was born, raised, and schooled as a Christian, and have been a Krishna-bhakta for many years...hopefully I've accumulated enough knowledge to be able to at least share some insights.

I'm working on a reply for you and will post soon.

Another contrast

Jesus: "Why do you do good only to those who love you? What reward will you have in Heaven?"

Krishna: "Whoever renders service to me is dear to me and I am dear to him"

[suekeno2005]

Hare Krishna!

Dear Tirthadas,

Thank you for taking my inquiry into consideration. I struggle with the contrast between Christianity and Lord Krishna's teachings daily. (Iwork in a small office for a married couple, two very devoted Christians) And you hear people say that "it's all the same God". But the belief systems, objectives, and results ARE different. And I can not reconcile the two. The more I study Krishna Consciousness the more right and true and real Krishna becomes to me.

So again, I appreciate any help. To further my understanding of this material world. Unfortunately as much as we don't want to be in this material world, here we are, and here we will stay until the time I should be so fortunate to leave.

your servant,

Sue

[Pankaja dasa]

I think people who worship Lord Jesus Christ goto Vaikunthaloka [if they do it properly]. And people that worship Krishna goto Goloka.

Maybe Christians call it heaven?

[precious 54]

HI, I was into Krishna conciousness about 20 years back. then got caught up in the world for many years I suffered in darkness and deppression.. I found JESUS , started studing the bible I still LOVE KRISHNA, for a while I have been confused because christians do not know about Krishna they think all other Gods are false but I don't because I have loved Krishna in the past they don't know Krishna..what do you think on this??

[precious 54]

Hi Sue, I have been going thru some of the same problems as you on Jesus vs Krishna.. I am also born again christian ..I think the differences have to do with the time and area that Jesus was born they were jews they had no knowledge of Krishna.. being Krishna is from the other side of the world and all that could be it!

[Radian]

OK,PEOPLE ENOUGH DEBATING THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD,THIS ONLY GOD CREATED THE UNIVERSE,THIS ONLY GOD CREATED US, WE ALL WORSHIP THIS ONLY GOD,WE ALL SEE THIS ONLY GOD IN DIFFERNT WAYS AS LORD KRISHNA SAYS IN THE GITA PEOPLE WHO WORSHIP OTHER GODS ACTUALLY WORSHIP ME,BUT THEY DO SO IN A WRONG WAY.

[Radian]

As Srila Prabhupada say's "If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

[suekeno2005]

Hare Krishna Radian!

Part of my inquiry is to explain to the Christians so very much in my life that we really do worship the same God. My husband particularly does not understand, and I want him to, I need him to.

So no, I do not want to be exclusionary with Jesus, I am just trying to find where He fits in all of this.

Does his make any sense? I do not mean to be irreverent here. Plese respect my curious mind. There is so much to learn with Krishna Consciousness.

your servant,

Sue

[tirthadas]

Hare Krishna Radian!

Part of my inquiry is to explain to the Christians so very much in my life that we really do worship the same God. My husband particularly does not understand, and I want him to, I need him to.

Sue

Sue...You have a PM from me in regard to these questions.

[nekozuki]

There is no character mentioned in the original text
of the Bible that is Jesus. His name is Yashua.
His father is named YHVH (Jahovah). In the Bible
we are told that the advasary is a bejeweled
flute playing lacivious youth. We are also warned
against doctrines of demons in 2 Timothy.

A Bishop in the Russian Orthodox Church in Russia
recently stated that Krsna is Satan.......

May the Truth Prevail


So now someone as warm and loving as Krishna is Satan. Of course a Bishop is going to say that, Eastern religion is growing fast in Europe and now they're doing the same thing that they did 2,000 years ago putting fear in people's hearts to make them join the Church. Don't listen to that junk please. :x Their god must be very different from mine then. As for Jesus, his story is also like Osiris,Dionysus, and the myth surrounding Augustus Caesar's birth (immaculate conception).

By the way I wouldn't doubt that Jesus and Mary were married, look at the passages in the New Testament about them and see how they act.

Do you also realize how much the New Testament has been manipulated. Do you not realize there is a great difference between the Jewish Satan and the Christian Satan? Even the Jewish god and the Christian god seem different. Fellow Hindus please don't manipulated by the Satan junk.

[chipoffhteoldblock]

I agree and would like to extend the theory to Buddha, and all the great prophets, saints & sadhus. Alive and passed.

[Serpent]

No they are not the same.

Jesus preached a religion of intolerance where Krishna preached a belief of peace and tolerance. :?

[Serpent]

I agree and would like to extend the theory to Buddha, and all the great prophets, saints & sadhus. Alive and passed.

Jesus should not be spoke in the same utterance with the holy sadhus it would be a insult to the great sadhus.

[precious 54]

You are so wrong about Jesus and ignorant of the truth..please don't speak of things you know nothing about...Jesus was love come to man in a human body ..He came at that time in history as the messiah of the jews..He did nothing but show love ,he healed the sick ,even could calm the sea..walk on water..he died a horrible and painfull death because of people who would not understand..evil people that called themselves holy men...Jesus came from God to help the lost and wicked people ,he died for the sins of the world..God made a way for people to come back to God thru his love and mercy on the cross...that whosoever believeth on him would not perish but have everlasting life in heaven...It doesn't matter what religion you are Jesus Loves you and is still God yesterday, today, and tomarrow...I have seen many lives changed because of Jesus ..I for one can testify to a total life change because of Jesus...Please do not speak badly of the greatest gift that God, Krishna, has given to mankind...Praise his Holy Name..The lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world through his precious blood shed on a cross at calvery.....It may be that because it was happening in a different location at that time in history that you may have never heard of Jesus as the saviour..but it is so true regardless of who believes it or not..

[mathuranath das]

Dear Abhishek,
You have good questions. However, your name causes me to suspect you are a devotee merely posing as a "christians" advocate...Growing up as a Catholic I also had many questions regarding Christ & Krishna and it is good for us to explore the similarities and differences between them. However, there are many social and historical factors, especially in regard to Christianity that distort the facts and our understanding. Krsna Conciousness comes down to us in an unbroken chain of disciplic succession in the Vedic culture. Both systems are what would be termed devotional theism and have many similarities....like a personal conception of God, the use of prayer beads, images, prasadam & the Holy Eucarist. There are even many parallels in the lives of both Krsna and Christ that have caused suspicion amongst scholars as to whether the life of Jesus was modeled after the pastimes of Krsna who lived 3,000 years before. (Please see the article attatched at the end of this post.) All that aside, Religious reformers like Jesus teach according to time, place and circumstance, desha kala patra. They give what is appropriate to the developement of the people at the time. Jesus Himself said that there was much more He could tell but they were not ready to hear. The minor details may vary but the bigger message is the same. To awaken the individual soul (jiva) to its natural position of Love of God (Iswara or Bhagavan). Jesus was in love of God in the rasa or mood or flavor of Love called Vatsalya rasa. Parental Love. God The Father. Krsna, being the Supreme Lord exibited all the rasa's with His devotees according to thier porportionate love for Him. With His parents and children He exhibited this vatsalya rasa, with the cowherd boys and Arjuna He exhibited Sakya rasa, friendship. with His wives, Svakiya-madhurya rasa, married love and with the Gopis He exchanged Parakiya Madhura rasa, paramour Love. But this Love is not the mundane bodily "love" or rather lust of this world. In sanskit language it is called "Prema". Which means a transcendental wholly self-giving, self sacrificing, non material affection between the individual soul and the supreme soul. There is no comparison in this world and its is very difficult for us to understand because we are addicted to bodily lust. Krsna is completely above these things. Krsna says in the Gita 7.13
Tribur guna mayar bhavair..."Deluded by the three modes of nature the whole world knows me not. Who am above the modes and inexhaustable.
Krsna is Para-brahman. The supreme spirit above the three conditioned modes of nature (goodness, passion,& ignorance) which cover us so heavily like clouds..Krsna is anti-material, ie: aprakrta, meaning without material qualities, but infinitely potent with unlimited spiritual qualities and power. He is the supreme Autocrat. Evereything exists by Him and for His satisfaction alone, so there can never be any wrong doing on His part. Mundane morality is not applicable to Him. His every action benefits us, because He is absolute and absolute goodness. Christ is His devotee in the relationship of son. Srila Sridhar Maharaj elaborately explains the position of Christianity in relation to Krsna Consciousness in His book. "The Search for Sri Krsna, Reality the Beautiful." in that book you'll find a nice chapter with many explanations to your questions. Please see the website http://www.scsmath.com
Srila Prabhupad gave a nice talk in one of the early BTG magazines called "Krsna, Kristos, Christ showing the etemological origin of Christianity in Krsna Consciousness and the article below deals directly with that. I hope you find this helpful.
My dandavat pranam to you.


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From Christ To Chrishna
BY DHARMAPADA DAS
EDITORIAL, Dec 25 (VNN) — A Book Review
Raymond Bernard's From Christ to Chrishna is a book from the past which has made its appearance again. It seems to have first been published by Health Research in 1961, although the forward by the author is dated 1959 and the copyright dates from 1966. The book has recently been reproduced by Health Research.
http://www.healthresearchbooks.com/
The name Raymond Bernard is said by Dennis Crenshaw to be an alias for the surname Sigmeister. Dennis has extensively researched this author because of his other writings, writings on the hollow earth theory. For example, Bernard penned the book Agharta, on the Tibetan underground, and most notably The Hollow Earth, which has become a standard-bearer for the hollow earth community.
Right from the very beginning, From Christ to Chrishna establishes that the teachings of Krishna are the origin of Christianity. The book explains that Apollonius of Tyana had studied in the Himalayas and that he returned and introduced these teachings to the Essenes, who became the first "Chrishn-ins", later Christians. It brings to our attention that the writings of Apollonius were re-written and plagiarized by Roman churchmen at the Council of Nicea three centuries later. In the fourth century, A.D., Hierocles accused the Christian priesthood of this plagiary and of inventing a messiah by combining the name of the Druid sun god, Iesus, from the Western half of Constantine's Roman empire with the name Chrishna, from the Eastern half, which had become corrupted to Christ by that time.
In order to provide historical justification, the book explains how a Jewish religious teacher from Jehoshua Ben Pandira was selected, and why a young Essene who had been crucified, Jeshai Beth Halachmee, became incorporated into the story.
The book adds authority to its assertions by interpreting the research of academicians from the past, such as J.M. Roberts, who authored the book Antiquity Unveiled; Reverend Robert Taylor, who authored Diegesis; Moor, the author of Hindu Pantheon; Gerald Massey, of The Natural Genesis Godfrey Higgins who wrote Analcalypsis and Professor Hilton Hotema, among others.
From Christ to Chrishna acknowledges the book Monumental Christianity as the source of the illustrations which it contains.
Bernard utilizes comparison as a device for establishing that the birth of Christ originates from the older, Sanskrit-documented narration of the birth of Krishna, as found in the Puranas. Shree Krishna, for example, was born in Mathura but taken to a pastoral setting just after birth- Christ was ready to be born in the larger city of Nazareth but taken to a pastoral setting just before he was born. At birth, the devatas showered flowers and sang hymns in glorification of the baby Krishna, just as it is related in relation to the angels and Christ in the Gospel of Luke. After His birth, Shree Krishna was visited by a wise man, the sage Narada Muni who foretold his future according to the alignment of stars at the time. This is similar to the way in which Jesus was visited by the Magi who had followed a star in the heavens in order to find him, and who also foretold of His future glory.
In the natal story of both Shree Krishna and Christ it is told that the regent ordered the death of all male children bon during that period- in the birth story of Shree Krishna, the regent's name was Kamsa. In the birth story of Christ, it was Herod. Bernard quotes Sir William Jones, a respected Sanskrit scholar, in this regard: "That the name of Krishna and the general outline of his story were long anterior to the birth of our Savior, and probably to the time of Homer, we know very certainly ." There is much, much more along these lines.
Whether or not the reader accepts every last shred of evidence, and every last explanation by Bernard is immaterial. Bernard presents a scope which is broad enough to substantiate the Krishna origins of Christianity.
It is almost ironic that when this book was written, the Indian/Hindu immigration into North America had not yet taken place. Even the Indian population of Great Britain was not what it is today. Even so, the book is very appropriate for the bookshelf of any current follower of Vedic dharma as it provides orientation in a Christian world which can be aggressive at times.
Written by Dean Dominic De Lucia/Dharmapada Das
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[Serpent]

You are so wrong about Jesus and ignorant of the truth..please don't speak of things you know nothing about...Jesus was love come to man in a human body ..He came at that time in history as the messiah of the jews..He did nothing but show love ,he healed the sick ,even could calm the sea..walk on water..he died a horrible and painfull death because of people who would not understand..evil people that called themselves holy men...Jesus came from God to help the lost and wicked people ,he died for the sins of the world..God made a way for people to come back to God thru his love and mercy on the cross...that whosoever believeth on him would not perish but have everlasting life in heaven...It doesn't matter what religion you are Jesus Loves you and is still God yesterday, today, and tomarrow...I have seen many lives changed because of Jesus ..I for one can testify to a total life change because of Jesus...Please do not speak badly of the greatest gift that God, Krishna, has given to mankind...Praise his Holy Name..The lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world through his precious blood shed on a cross at calvery.....It may be that because it was happening in a different location at that time in history that you may have never heard of Jesus as the saviour..but it is so true regardless of who believes it or not..

What is your faith?

Also Jesus may have done those things in Christian eyes but when I have read the bible I see a religion of fear who threatens others who do not think like them.

I respect Christians from a far but do not see them anything like Hinduism.

Jesus like his father preached hell and damnation on those who didn't come to him.

[precious 54]

Dear serpent,My faith is in God ,Krishna and Jesus I seek Truth and knowledge of God where ever it may be found in what ever the name of the religion we are all searching for the TRUTH and that is all I am trying to tell you ...not to cause any hurt..I just want to clear up the misconceptions if I could...maybe I could tell you of my Quest for Truth ..It is found in Holy Scriptures...The Bible ..THe Bagavad Gita..and other true Holy Books...If you dig deep in the Word It is a treasure to be found..That God is LOVE...The Hell and Damnation are this material life of pain and sorrow...Jesus was sent from God's Love to give us a way to return to heaven ..He was a sacrifice a Holy sacrifice for man to have a way back to God for man is so sinful and evil, man could not see the Love that was Jesus in the form of human flesh like you and me...he only warned the people to see in a way they could understand at that time...they didn't know about reincarnation or Krishna they were Jews.. we know much more today..but the fact remains the same Jesus is God ....Krishna is also the Supreme Personality opf Godhead....do you see what Imean???

[Serpent]

Dear serpent,My faith is in God ,Krishna and Jesus I seek Truth and knowledge of God where ever it may be found in what ever the name of the religion we are all searching for the TRUTH and that is all I am trying to tell you ...not to cause any hurt..I just want to clear up the misconceptions if I could...maybe I could tell you of my Quest for Truth ..It is found in Holy Scriptures...The Bible ..THe Bagavad Gita..and other true Holy Books...If you dig deep in the Word It is a treasure to be found..That God is LOVE...The Hell and Damnation are this material life of pain and sorrow...Jesus was sent from God's Love to give us a way to return to heaven ..He was a sacrifice a Holy sacrifice for man to have a way back to God for man is so sinful and evil, man could not see the Love that was Jesus in the form of human flesh like you and me...he only warned the people to see in a way they could understand at that time...they didn't know about reincarnation or Krishna they were Jews.. we know much more today..but the fact remains the same Jesus is God ....Krishna is also the Supreme Personality opf Godhead....do you see what Imean???

I do not see what you see. The hell Jesus preached was eternal hell in a dimension of everlasting suffering on the non-believers.

[nekozuki]

I do not see what you see. The hell Jesus preached was eternal hell in a dimension of everlasting suffering on the non-believers.


This is a logical answer. Why would God send people to eternal hell because they did not acknowledge Jesus as the only savior of mankind, I can count numerous saviours. All religions have miracles and truth to them although with Christianity the whole eternal hell and Satan is debatable. In fact, realistically and in the Jewish scriptures Jesus does not fit the Messiah description at all. Christianity is well on it's way out if it keeps up the aggressiveness and more and more people unlock it's secrets.

Any God who sends people to eternal hell is not a God that I worship.

[precious 54]

You don't know what you are talking about....you critisize what you don't understand......and christianity is not at all on it's way out....

[Radian]

All the Gods of every religion is the same as Lord Krishna says in the Bhagavad-Gita chapter 9.24 Those who are devottes of other gods and who worship them with faith actually worship only me,O son of Kunti,but they do so in a wrong way. We have to accept all religions i mean by their God if we cant accept this then there is no peace

[varadaraja sharma]

Radhe Krishna,

I know about christianity only on hearsay but I myself read Shrimad Bhagavatham. First let me submit a few corrections. As per Shrimad Bhagavatham lord had 16008 wives and shri narada saw for himself god performing his Grhastha Dharma in all the 16008 households. The names of sons of god krishna are mentioned in Dashama skanda - Utharardha. I am sorry my dear friends - the name of Jesus appear nowhere. It is nowhere mentioned in our shasthras that Jesus was the son of Lord Krishna for one thing.

I heard the following things about christianity.

That only those who believe in the god christians whom they call YHVH would go to eternal heaven and all else would end up in eternal hell.

Their god is formless and their scriptures strictly proohibit worship of any idols

Same I came to know about Islam. The right and wrong about these things can be explained only by those who have mastery in Bible

and what shasthras says:

"Aakashaath pathitam thoyam yatha gachathi saagaram
Sarva deva namaskaraha keshavam prathigachathi"

like the waters of rivers ultimately reach its final destination, the ocean, the obeisance one pays to any devatha would ultimately reach the God Keshava.
here I won't say demigod - because I strictly believe in the oneness of god- and I do not buy the theory of demi and semi gods- kimpurusha, yaksha, gandharva and devatha these are all mentioned in shasthras as species which are more powerful than human beings - I dont know how anybody raises the status of devathas to the level of god - and thereafter divide the godhood into demigods and godhead et all - devathas are simply devathas - no no no no - not at all not at all not at all they can never be given a prefix of god. that is blasphemy.

Radhe Krishna

[varadaraja sharma]

Radhe krishna,

In the last post the last word "blasphemy" was inadvertantly used by me and that is regretted. it should have been "inappropriate". Sorry for the error. With the discussion on Islam & Christianity, a jargon which is specifically used by them was inappropriately used by me.

Regarding 16000 wives married by lord krishna, the reference can be looked at Dashama Skanda - utharardha - 59th adyaya - shloka - 33. The names of sons and grandsons of lord are given in adyaya are given in 61th adyaya of dashama skanda.

Radhe Krishna.

[precious 54]

Peace my dear Krishna devotees,I think you should know I mean you no harm I too love Krishna...I was at the very first Krishna temple in NYC when Srila Prabhupadda first brought the sweet message of Krishna to the USA....i have much love for Krishna......I do not understand all this different religions and stuff I only know what i have personally have experenced in my very small life....i have seen personally the power of the Love of Krishna as the beautiful devotees worshiped Krishna at the temple in NYC personally was very young 17 yrs. old I am now 51yrs. old I was a foolish girl got mixed up in the material world of drugs and sex etc ...many years of sin ....when about 20 yrs..ago I heard about Jesus Christ.... I was hooked on heron....Jesus delivered me from this hell...so I know Jesus is real......years later i gott back into a life of forgettfulness i stoped walking the spiritual path once again....I then became so manic depressed and I had no will to live...this went on for years.......I was a walking dead person......Then I started reading the bible and met Jesus again He came into my life in a new way.....he is my saviour from depressiion.....I still had this Love for Krishna because when ever I would hear something about Krishna my heart would leap for joy.....I know Jesus is real and I know Krishna is real dear devotees ....Love is Love isn't it my sweet devotees????

[Serpent]

You don't know what you are talking about....you critisize what you don't understand......and christianity is not at all on it's way out....

Tell that to the millions upon millions who have died in martyrdom for the sake of Christianity.

Also let us not forget the the religion of Islam it too teaches hate and intolerance.

[Serpent]

I do not see what you see. The hell Jesus preached was eternal hell in a dimension of everlasting suffering on the non-believers.


This is a logical answer. Why would God send people to eternal hell because they did not acknowledge Jesus as the only savior of mankind, I can count numerous saviours. All religions have miracles and truth to them although with Christianity the whole eternal hell and Satan is debatable. In fact, realistically and in the Jewish scriptures Jesus does not fit the Messiah description at all. Christianity is well on it's way out if it keeps up the aggressiveness and more and more people unlock it's secrets.

Any God who sends people to eternal hell is not a God that I worship.

You are right.

[nekozuki]

You don't know what you are talking about....you critisize what you don't understand......and christianity is not at all on it's way out....

FYI, I was once a Christian until I realized that everytime I walked out of the church, I felt like a piece of trash on the side of the road. Then I decided I'm going to read up on other religions and see if they're as bad as the Christian Church is saying. Paganism was interesting, it's nature worship which has nothing to do with the Devil, but it wasn't enough for me to become a pagan. Then I came across Hinduism and started reading the Vedas and believing them because it actually makes sense and it touched my heart, in Hinduism I found a loving and caring God and I actually felt like a person. I've been a Hindu ever since.

Let me ask you this:

When I was Christian I had no dreams whatsoever of Jesus, he never appeared in my dreams. Then I switch to Hinduism and I see Vishnu's serpent Shesha. Hmmmmmmmmmmm? A sign that maybe I chose the right religion for me not what someone wanted me to be.

You should choose whatever religion works for you, there is no Satan because God is supreme and logically there can be no Satan to oppose him.

I'm not saying Jesus isn't real or his not a saviour of mankind but the Satan concept is getting a little out of hand. I was told by so called Christian stepmother said that I was going to hell for watching Interview with the Vampire. How irrational can you get. Satan was used to get people to convert, why do you think the early paintings of him resemble the Roman god Pan, to convert.

[mathuranathadas]

surely it is the same supreme being that we are aspiring to approach and by the same means -ie by pleasing him.Surely we can agree that to glorify and serve the supreme being with love will please him.At any moment death may come and in any case life is very short and there are many distractions.A moment lost not glorifying and serving the LOrd cannot be regained.The Lord is in our heart as our dearmost friend,wellwisher and guide, and can give us the intelligence to know what words and actions will please him more than others.Surely if we all pray to the lord for his guidance the poison of missunderstandings between and within religions by his grace can dissapear like magic.No doubt one day we will all be in the eternal abode of the lord lovingley and cooperatively serving and glorifying the lord for ever.Should we try and start now?

[chipoffhteoldblock]

I believe krishna/Godhead/God/Infinate Universe or whatever we wish to call the Almighty is one and the same. Godhead is everything, so why split hairs.
Jesus did not write the bible.....was written after his time and is open to interpretation as are all great works based on scripture.
Was the bible based on scripture, or witness?
Either way, the Bible contains many truths which should not be ridiculed or discounted.
I follow the way of Tantra of which Bhakti Yoga is one of the branches.
Each to their own.....the lord has appeared in many different incarnations at different times. However, time and space are on a different scale in krishna's world, so we should be careful not to insult the divine will of God. Who are we to second guess the almighty.
Jesus was in his time yet another example of the embodiment of the divine will of God/Krishna/Atma. Their were many before and since...
Om Tat Sat

[mathuranath das]

In the terminology of Vedic /sanskrit theology, Jesus can be understood as shaktyavesha avatar. That means, one who is empowered by Divinity to act on behalf of Divinity. An agent of the Absolute Reality, or a visa granting officer of the Transcendental world.The Bhagavad-gita describes that periodically (in every yuga or universal epoch) Divinity introduces teachings for the spiritual evolution of mankind. The Lord descends Himself or empowers a qualified soul as in the case of Jesus.

yada yad hi dharmasya
glanir bhavati bharata
abyutanam a dharmasya
tad atmanam sri jamy aham

"Whenever and wherever there is a decline in dharmic practice and a predominat rise of adharma, at that time I descend Myself." BGita 4.7

Dharma means the intrinsic quality of a thing. Like the qualities of heat and light are inseperable from fire, or liquidity is the inseperable quality of water. The dharma of the soul is to love (prema-rasa). All the developed theistic systems in the world teach that we are eternal non-material spiritual (conscious) souls distinct from gross matter. Teachers like Jesus come to awaken our spiritual hearts in love for the Supreme Soul. They don't come to create religious institutions and formalites which breed predjudice. Formal doctrines and institutions are only useful if they foster growth of love in our hearts and self giving and spiritual communion. If the form impedes the flow of spiritual substance in our hearts then we should abandon the form or formality. What is the use of a formal latin or sanskrit prayer if it is recited absent-mindedly or without true feeling and a spirit of self giving on our part? Better is the simple prayer in broken english of a small uneducated child that has true feeling and love. This is the substance of dharma or religion. It simply means the proper adjustment of the individual soul in spiritual love with God the Supreme Soul. If we get hung up on methodology or cultural or ritualistic trappings our progess becomes checked. If we look at the substance of what Jesus taught (or whats left of it...) We get a better understanding of what His purpose was. Deny thyself, self sacrifice for a higher non-material ideal. I like to think also that Jesus was enlightened enough to understand that a higher conception of God would necessarily include the female shakti or Divine Potency, not just an antropomorphic male patriarchial creator diety. The Vedas give us information that above the impersonal unconditioned all accomodating spiritual light of Brahman there exists an infinite variagated beautiful unlimited realm of transcendental spiritual consciousness (vaikuntha - meaning without limit) where God plays in the form of a beautiful child in unlimited loving pastimes with unlimited numbers of liberated souls in both male and female spiritual forms. Jesus said " In my fathers Kingdom there are many mansions"

The miracles that Jesus performed can be understood as yogic siddhis or mystic powers that are obtainable by the practice of the Astangha yoga as delineated by Patanjali in the yoga sutras. Few are qualified to achieve them in this age however they do in fact exist. There is a great body of suppressed evidence that Jesus travelled, lived and studied in Northern India. Please see the book, " Jesus Lived in India". It has a wealth of documented information regarding Jesus, His teachings, travels and the history of Jews in Northern India since the time of Moses. Also the Essene/Gnostic connection offers alternative views of Christ.

Over the centuries Christianity has been adulterated, formalized and used for social and political control. Some of the original concepts like reincarnation and other esoteric knowledge have been omited in favour of a watered down version more sutable for widespread propaganda. However the core of devotional theism remains which is a wonderful teaching and very akin to the Bhakti yoga of Indian devotional theism.... The unfortunate addition of the myopic view that Jesus is the ONLY way is a misconception that breeds intolerance of other forms of faith and spirituality. When He said "I am the way" We interpret that to mean, devotion is the way, My example of self sacrifice, My whole hearted giving of My soul to the Supreme Soul in loving devotional relationship (vatsalya-rasa, ie: God as father, devotee as son) Also "I am the way" can be interpreted as the concept of Guru-tattva. "No one passes to the Father but through Me" This means you must develop your relationship with God through a genuine agent of Divinity. A saint, a guru, ie: a realized individual who is situated in transcendental consciousness and Love of God. By serving such a realized master the disciple also develops bhava (loving spiritual emotions for God). This is a very developed science of theological truth called sampradaya in India. Jesus created sampradaya with His disciples.

Realized persons such as Christ teach according to time place and circumstance. (desha-kala-patra) They deliver teachings that are appropriate to the subjective spiritual evolution of the culture they are dealing with. No doubt He knew more than He revealed. He said: "there are many things you are not ready to hear' But what He did reveal was enough to ignite the hatred of the self-seeking religious hypocrites of His time. He was a beacon of light, and His example of self-sacrifice lives on powerfully to this day. He sacrificed His life so that we might gain faith in the higher eternal conscious Reality. Some will hate the light of Truth (the asuras or gross materialists) but those who love the light (the devas or dharmic & spiritually evolved ) will recognize it and embrace the revelation as a message of love from our spiritual home, no matter what external form it may take or what ethnic culture it may appear in. Jesus is our dearmost friend.

Good Post, Mathuranath Das !

When shall we realise that God is one & in everybeing & everything ? There is nothing except Him - all are his manifestations. There is no Satan out there. There cannot be. And if Satan is there, who created Satan ? And if Satan is so powerful to create himself, how is he less than God ? Why couldn't he defeat God so far ?

It is all illusion. There is no Satan. The evil in each one of us is Satan. God created the good & the bad & thus He only created Satan because without Bad there is no concept of Good. The existence of this "drama" called, the world, the cycle of life & death, needs the concept of Bad/Satan.

[mathuranath das]

Thanks for the compliment "Devotee"...But its all Gurudeva's Grace...Not mine.....

I also forgot to mention that there is a wonderful explanation in my Guru Mahaja's book "The Search for Sri Krsna, Reality the Beautiful" where-in He analyzes the ontological position of Christianity in relation to Gaudiya-Vaishnava theology. its a fascinating read- I highly recommend it to all concerned with the ideas and questions posted here. There's an online link at the web address below.

In brief it is that...In Christianity there is the conception of the Trinity. The Father (creator, Brahma) the Son (devotee in vatsalya rasa) and the Holy Ghost (The impersonal all pervading spirit above all). According to this conception, Christianity would possibly lead to Mayavad conception or Brahma -nirvirseha and there is little mention of Rasa beyond vatsalya nor a very clear or developed conception of the nature, form and pastimes of the Supreme Lord. Makes you wonder just where its actually going...? Brahmaloka? The Creator-Father's heavenly abode or impersonal Brahman.
Vissnu-tattva, vaikuntha and Goloka are not described.

Jesus & Lord Krishna are same.
Jesus & Lord Krishna are not same.
Which of the above statements is right ?
Both !!

Essentially, there is no difference. However, the manifestation is different & therefore they are not same. It is not that historically it can be ever proved that they were same. In fact, they were not. You may find various differences - even their teachings are not exactly the same. Historically, they were two different personalities born at different points of time on this earth.

Both are showing spiritual paths to their devotees. Why is there any need for the other if one is sufficient ? Why is there any difference in their teachings if both are showing the correct path ? How the truth can be different ? Can a "good" be "not-good" also ?

There is a need for Jesus & there is a also need for Lord Krishna. This is because the spiritual needs of all persons are not same. If you are interested only in Heaven & are afraid of hell, Jesus may be the easier way for you. If you are down with problems of this world & are need of help which help you solve your problems here, there are many god-forms who may help you. Lord Krishna is different. Lord Krishna shows you the path to transcend the bond of life & death; he shows you the Path of Nirvana. He is the only God who says, "Invest in Karma but don't have any expectations for good or bad outcomes of your Karmas. You should work without having desire in your mind ( not even heaven or even desire to escape the cycle of life & death)". He promises to take care of welfare of his devotees but in the manner he feels is OK & not what the devotee asks for.

Jesus tell you to abstain from bad works & do good works so that you escape the torture of hell & enjoy the good things in heaven. Lord Krishna tells you, that both Good & Bad works are but bindings & how to escape from both the bindings. Lord Krishna tells you that Heaven in not the ultimate thing - it is only another place for fulfilment of desires. You may go beyond the limits of heavens & hell.

You try reciting the Gita to one & all - will everybody appreciate this ? Even if they all are of religious bent of mind, they won't appreciate. Why ? No one in this world is born like a clean slate. We are all born with our effects of Karmas in our past lives. That decides our Nature ... that decides our spiritual needs ... that decides our understanding of the whole thing called Spirituality. Therefore, having one God-form is not sufficient to cater to persons of different spiritual needs.

In fact, we should not brand a person as Christian, a Hindu, a Muslim or a Buddhist etc. by birth. A person may be born as a Christian but his spiritual needs may need Lord Krishna & not Jesus. So, the decision should be his. Let the person decide ... let him make the choice. Both Paths are correct. Here, no choice is a wrong choice. What may appear as Wrong from one Spiritual level may be perfectly Right from the other Spiritual level.

[sridatta1]

I HAVE STUDIED THIS THEORY THAT LORD KRISHNA AND JESUS CRIST IS THE SAME PERSON REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE HOLD BIBLE SAY ABOUT JESUS CRIST.MY MOTHER SAYS THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF LORD KRISHNA AND I BELEIVE THIS BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE NAMES KRISHNA AND CRIST IT ALMOST PRONUNSE THE SAME.IN THE GITA LORD KRISHNA SAY'S 'THAT PEOPLE WHO WORSHIP OTHER GODS ACTUALLY WORSHIP ME BUT THEY DO SO IN A WRONG WAY'.

WHAT DO YOU THINK.

Comparison Of Jesus-Krishna Preachings

The Divine preaching of Holy Jesus is the top most Gospel in the world and touches the climax of the truth. For example Holy Krishna says in Gita that one should withdraw himself from the family bonds slowly like a tortoise withdrawing its limbs (Kurmo ngaaneeva). The tradition of Datta is to cut the family bonds by the Sword of Knowledge as per Gita (Jnanaasi natmanah).

But Holy Jesus says that one should hate these family bonds to become His disciple. Cutting the bond is Zero. Existing in the bond is Plus and hating the bond is Minus. Zero is near to Plus and Minus is very far. So if you cut the bond it may form again. But if you hate the bond the bond will never be formed so that the bond with the Lord alone is eternal.

See the preaching of Lord Jesus with impartial attitude and without conservatism. After all a diamond is diamond whether it is foreign diamond or Indian diamond. Thus Holy Jesus is the king of all the divine preachers. He is like the Sun from whom these divine sentences radiate like rays.

Holy Bible speaks about the ever-lasting fire and that the souls have no rebirth. Hindu scriptures say that the soul has rebirth. Both these can be convinced and co-related. The condemned souls enter the everlasting fire, which means that these souls take the births as animals, birds, worms etc, which are like the fire due to the continuous agony. The word “everlasting” means that once the soul enters into the cycle of these births the soul will never come back to the human birth. The rebirth as a human being as told in the Hindu scriptures can be again co-related with the Holy Bible.

Holy Jesus says that the Kingdom of God is extended into this world. The meaning of this is that whenever God comes in human form to stay with us (Immanuel), the disciples of the Lord will be staying in this divine Kingdom on the throwns equally with the Lord. This means the servants of the Lord will take rebirth as human beings and will be preaching here and they will be respected like God.

For Ex: The Holy Pope is given the status of God. The Holy Pope and other such top most Bishops and pious Fathers who are indulged in the propagation of the knowledge will get the status of God here itself in this world. Thus, the inner sense is the same in all the scriptures, which is spoken in different ways. The ways are different but the real essence is the same.

The aim of human life is to achieve the grace that is the love of God. Even if you earn more money you are not carrying it after death. Very little money is sufficient to eat and drink which the animals and the birds are also doing even without money. If the aim of the money is only eating, drinking and enjoying, you will be born as animal or bird or worm in the next birth.

If your file is opened in the upper world you will not get definitely the human birth. When you serve the Lord in this world when He comes in the human form then only you can get human birth without any enquiry in order to serve the Lord when the Lord reincarnates. You must recognize the Lord by His knowledge, because Veda says that knowledge is Brahman.

Only miracles are not the signs since demons also performed miracles. Gita says that the Lord comes down in human form (Maanusheem tanu masritam). Gita also says that it is very difficult to worship formless (Avyaktahi). Gita also says that if one worships the inert statue, he will be born as a stone (Bhutejya yanti Bhutani).

So you must serve the Lord by doing practical service which consists of 1) Sacrifice of work 2) Sacrifice of fruit of work (money), which is also a form of work. The Sacrifice must be to the full extent. When a beggar gives one rupee that is greater than one lakh given by a multi lakhier because the beggar has sacrificed what ever he possessed. Holy Jesus appreciated one old lady who donated whatever she possessed, as the highest divine soul.

[Radian]

THE HOLY BIBLE WAS MANIPULATED IN THE 16th CENTURY

[sridatta1]

THE HOLY BIBLE WAS MANIPULATED IN THE 16th CENTURY

veda as reference

There are several religions and there are several scriptures corresponding to these religions. We must fix a scripture as the primary standard so that other scriptures can be standardized with reference to that. The other scripture also becomes standard with reference to which some other scripture can be also standardized. This is called as the process of standardization in Science.

Such a primary standard can be the Veda. I know immediately the colours of your faces will change. Immediately you will blame Me that I am not the preacher of Universal Religion. You will misunderstand Me as the preacher of Hinduism in guise. This situation will arise even if I take the scripture of some other religion also as the primary standard. The misunderstanding is inevitable and unavoidable.

I have to take one scripture of some religion and I have to be subjected to the criticism. Therefore, I ignore the criticism. I know what I am in My inner consciousness. My inner self is the real witness as long as I am the preacher of Universal Religion to My inner self, I need not fear for any external criticism from any angle.

The reason for selecting Veda as the primary standard is that even today the Veda is being preserved by oral recitation with the help of thousands of families. If you go to older and older times millions of families were reciting Veda just to preserve it from any type of intrusions or deletions. In Indian spiritual field there are several branches of philosophy who fight with each other orally.

For all these branches, Veda is the standard text. Such situation never existed in any religion in this world and does not exist even today. Even today different schools of philosophy in Hinduism fight with each other and all of them quote the same Veda. Such competition was and is unique in Hinduism. In such competitive atmosphere pollution of Veda is impossible.

If any word is added or deleted, immediately the other schools will shout because they fear that in such case Veda may support a particular branch of philosophy due to the possibility of a new interpretation for a new sentence. Leave the past. Tell Me frankly whether such situation exists in any religion in this world even today. This is the main reason why I have selected Veda as the primary standard. The diversity in Hinduism has done lot of good in this direction.

The sanctity of the scripture is well protected. In the olden days the books were in the form of written scripts of palm leaves. Printing was not there. Therefore, a very few scripts were only present. In such case it was very easy to introduce a new palm leaf or to remove an older palm leaf because hardly one or two scripts were present in a very large region.

Except this one reason there is no any other reason for Me to favour Veda but you need not worry that the scriptures of other religions have to be judged with reference to Veda only. Fortunately, all the scriptures of all the religions agree with Veda. The primary standard is useful in very few places where there is disagreement. Even that disagreement arises only from the misinterpretation of the statement. If the correct interpretation is given all the statements are perfectly coinciding with Veda.

Moreover, one can decide the final version of any concept based on the logical analysis. If the logical analysis fails, then mere Veda need not be taken as authority. If the logic disagrees you can reject any scripture including Veda. Therefore, Veda along with the logical analysis only stands as a primary standard. When you are convinced logically about a concept and when such concept is found in Veda, then only the concept is authorised.

Therefore, I am not rubbing Veda on any head without the logical analysis. Therefore, one need not doubt about the fanatic. The primary standard means the original word of God heard directly. But when other scriptures are perfectly in agreement with such word where is the question of fanatic? Every scripture becomes the word of God.

This point supports the Universal Religion, which says that the single God delivered the scriptures of all the religions. When the author is one and the same how can there be difference between the scriptures? If there is any difference it is only by your misinterpretation. Therefore, primary standard is only for convenience but not for fanatic.

[Radian]

SCIENCE AND RELIGION DOES NOT MIX

[Radian]

There is only one race, the race of humanity;
There is only one language, the language of the heart;
There is only one religion, the religion of love;
There is only one God and He is omnipresent." -SAI BABA

[vijayakrishnan]

Hare Krishna

All glories to Srila Prabhupada

ekam sastram devaki-putra-gitam
eko devo devaki-putra eva
eko mantras tasya namani yani
karmapy ekam tasya devasya seva

In the present day, people are very much eager to have one scripture, one god, one religion, and one occupation. Therefore, ekam sastram devaki-putra-gitam: let there be one scripture for the whole world-Bhagavad gita. eko devo devaki-putra eva:let there be one god for the whole world-Sri Krishna. eko mantras tasya namani yani:and one hymn, one mantra, one prayer-Chanting of his name:Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare.karmapy ekam tasya devasya seva:and let there be one work only-the service of the supreme personality of Godhead.

So, the Supreme personality of godhead is Lord Sri Krishna and all other Devaas, gandharvas, kinaras, kimpurusas are the servant of the Lord Sri krishna.Above said verse is been sited from Bhagvad Gita as it is Introduction By Srila Prabhupad.and this is been actually said by Lord Shiva to Srimathi Parvati.


Hare Krishna

[digital_dasa]

radian u r absolutely right jesus is the son of krishna , as krishna says that any work devoted to humanity is devoted to me , and thus jesus became a true vaishnva ,and vaishnva's are the son of lord krishna

[chipoffhteoldblock]

And let's not get Jesus mixed up with Christianity. 8)

[sridatta1]

I HAVE STUDIED THIS THEORY THAT LORD KRISHNA AND JESUS CRIST IS THE SAME PERSON REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE HOLD BIBLE SAY ABOUT JESUS CRIST.MY MOTHER SAYS THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF LORD KRISHNA AND I BELEIVE THIS BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE NAMES KRISHNA AND CRIST IT ALMOST PRONUNSE THE SAME.IN THE GITA LORD KRISHNA SAY'S 'THAT PEOPLE WHO WORSHIP OTHER GODS ACTUALLY WORSHIP ME BUT THEY DO SO IN A WRONG WAY'.

WHAT DO YOU THINK.

Krishna and Jesus are like two shirts of the same person with different colours.
If you are converting your religion just for the sake of your liking to Jesus, there is no objection, because liking has no reason. But if your conversion is based on repulsion to Krishna, I will not agree to it. Similarly, if a Christian is converted to become Hindu due to liking on Krishna, I have no objection. But his conversion should not be due to repulsion to Jesus. Same God exists in Krishna and Jesus. Krishna and Jesus are like two shirts of the same person with different colours

[AhimsaJack]

All of your posts are very thoughtful and enlightening. With me, however, I accept Sri Krishna and Lord Jesus as the same. There is no "reason" why I believe this , but rather a feeling of the heart.

All praise to both Krishna and Jesus, because they are each God incarnate.

Shanti

Jack

[judas]

And let's not get Jesus mixed up with Christianity. 8)
actually..lets not get Christianity mixed-up with the demons that claim to worship Jesus. because Christianity is the process of worshiping Jesus and the Lord. The words "Christian" and "Christianity" don't belong to the demons, do they ?

[judas]

All of your posts are very thoughtful and enlightening. With me, however, I accept Sri Krishna and Lord Jesus as the same. There is no "reason" why I believe this , but rather a feeling of the heart.

All praise to both Krishna and Jesus, because they are each God incarnate.

Shanti

Jack

sorry you're wrong..Jesus is Jesus and Krsna is Krsna.
Jesus is the devotee (son) and Krsna is the supreme Lord.
Lord Jesus taught us to pray...."OUR Father who art in Heaven"
note "OUR Father".... Achinya bheda bheda...the same in quality but NOT in quantity. This is the real truth and as usual you are speculating and getting it wrong. Please read the books of Srila Prabhupada and get youself the proper conception. And become eternally happy.
Accepting the Lord and the devotee as the same person is very offensive to the Lord.
Jaya Sri Sri Guru & Gauranga

[Accepting the Lord and the devotee as the same person is very offensive to the Lord. ]

That thinking comes from the Western mindset .... "I am a jealous God" ( 10 Commandments, Old Testament & "Kill the false prophets" Deuteronomoy -13).

Have you heard "Prem Gali Ati Saankri Jaa Mein Do Na Samaaye" --- The street of love is too narrow, only one can pass ?

If what you say is true then why Lord Krishna tells in Gita, "The Jnani is my form itself" ? ...... It may be offensive to you .... not to the Lord.

[Ratnesh]

No, Jesus never told that he is God. And even most of the Jesus follower strongly believe that he is son of God NOT the God.

In Bhagvad Gita Krishna told that he is the supreme personality of godhead.

Where is the question arise that Krishna & Jesus are same? Can Father & son be the same?

Another point is that Christianity believe that God has no form, if son of the god (Jesus) has form then father (supreme personality of god head) also has the form.

[chipoffhteoldblock]

"And let's not get Jesus mixed up with chritianity...", I was refering to his life and the books written in reference to it.
Could you condense your life into a book?
I was also refering to the mis-representation of his life by some Christian organisations. Some are fine, while others have alterior motives.

[chipoffhteoldblock]

Some say Buddha was/is Vishnu incarnate
Some say Krishna was/is Vishnu incarnate
Some say Jesus was/is Vishnu incarnate
I doubt Jesus is Vishnu.....Ganesha maybe, or pehaps Shiva with a victim complex. No, that's not likely. Again, we can debate such things until the cows come home and does it really matter?
Not really! One believes in God or One does not.
If I was Vishnu, I reckon I'd stick to the Turtle form...there's more water than land mass. More room to move. Ooops forgot about the platic bags, drift nets and tiger sharks. Such is life. :P