Eggs

If you eat eggs you are NOT practicing vegetarism.

Eggs are flesh capable of sustaining life. Eggs are also the menses of the chicken (look it up if you don't know what that is) and contain blood, urine and other flesh items.

Tagging eggs with the term "Free range" does not change the composition of the egg.

IMHO, eggs are the most disgusting of flesh items a person can consider eating.

In vedic terms, eating an egg is akin to murder.

Hare Krishna

[Sri Joyan]

If you eat eggs you are NOT practicing vegetarism.

Eggs are flesh capable of sustaining life. Eggs are also the menses of the chicken (look it up if you don't know what that is) and contain blood, urine and other flesh items.

Tagging eggs with the term "Free range" does not change the composition of the egg.

IMHO, eggs are the most disgusting of flesh items a person can consider eating.

In vedic terms, eating an egg is akin to murder.

Hare KrishnaResorting to such fanatical emotions is not necessary. It is lacking in compassion and incredibly judgemental to accuse someone of murder for eating an egg. One must also consider that in the process of harvesting grains from a single field, hundreds of small animals may be killed, not to mention their habitat destroyed. What's more, Krishna himself is a lover of GHEE, and as we all know, eating dairy products promotes the use of dairy cattle and veal farming, which causes great misery. So unless you have your own farm where you grow your own wheat and make your own bread from it, as well as take care of your own cows from which you make your dairy products and can insure that no animals suffer or die for the sake of your diet, judging others for eating eggs is out of line.

The term "free range" does not, as you said, change the composition of the egg, but as the chickens, who run around their yard freely and healthily, leave behind eggs for my neighbours to eat, my neighbours share them with me as food. The goal is to limit suffering as much as possible, not to be 100% perfect and cause no suffering, for this is impossible.

With your argument you must also be willing to state that eating HONEY is murder, since bees are killed in the process of harvesting honey, and honey is intended for the baby bees to grow inside, much like a chicken egg.

My other question woudl be: Would you say that eating an egg is more disgusting than eating a brain?

Resorting to such fanatical emotions is not necessary. It is lacking in compassion and incredibly judgemental to accuse someone of murder for eating an egg.

You have just called Srila Prabhupada and our previous acaryas emotional fanatics. You have just said the instructions of the vedas are judgemental.

[Sri Joyan]

Resorting to such fanatical emotions is not necessary. It is lacking in compassion and incredibly judgemental to accuse someone of murder for eating an egg.

You have just called Srila Prabhupada and our previous acaryas emotional fanatics. You have just said the instructions of the vedas are judgemental.

Please dont put words in my mouth. You know what i said. Do not be so hostile. Chant OM.

Please dont put words in my mouth. You know what i said. Do not be so hostile. Chant OM.

Yes I do know what you said. You said that my first post in this thread was one of a fanatic. The instructions in that post are from Srila Prabhupada and our previous acaryas. No words were put into your mouth and nobody was being hostile.

Don't be so sensitive. Nobody said you had to respond to the post telling people that it is wrong to eat eggs. Why are you taking it so personally?

[Sri Joyan]

Please dont put words in my mouth. You know what i said. Do not be so hostile. Chant OM.

Yes I do know what you said. You said that my first post in this thread was one of a fanatic. The instructions in that post are from Srila Prabhupada and our previous acaryas. No words were put into your mouth and nobody was being hostile.

Don't be so sensitive. Nobody said you had to respond to the post telling people that it is wrong to eat eggs. Why are you taking it so personally?

Because i'm the only person who posted that I eat eggs. =)

My mistake, i thought you are personally offended when you say i am denouncing your guru and the holy books of my religion. Which of course, I am not doing.

Because i'm the only person who posted that I eat eggs. =)

My mistake, i thought you are personally offended when you say i am denouncing your guru and the holy books of my religion. Which of course, I am not doing.

I have never read where you say you eat eggs.

[Sri Joyan]

Because i'm the only person who posted that I eat eggs. =)

My mistake, i thought you are personally offended when you say i am denouncing your guru and the holy books of my religion. Which of course, I am not doing.

I have never read where you say you eat eggs.

It is in the "introduce yourself" area.

This forum is just too contentious for me. I feel like there's this constant nitpicking at other people's behaviour, and passing of judgement. Its not good for my health, nor a wise way to discuss the Lord. But regardless of how unsavoury my presence is for you here, I wish you well, and i will continue to search for a forum where i can be welcomed, as i once foolishly thought this was. =)

Haribol.

You are leaving because we disagree about sex and eggs? You are too sensitive.

Do you leave forums when people don't always agree with you?

Anyway here are some other forums; (don't worry I don't participate in them - too "hindu" and we are not hindus)

http://www.hare-krishna.org/

http://www.hindu-religion.net/

http://www.gaurangapada.com/emailforum/

http://www.audarya-fellowship.com/

If you are searching for a devotee forum that is going to tell you it is ok to eat eggs and that sex is a great welfare act for loved ones then you will need to stay away from any forums that have Prabhupada disciples.

Prabhupada never sugar-coated or compromised on such issues and as his disciple neither do I.

Also, if you are looking for a forum where everyone will always agree with you and tell you that every word out of your mouth is perfect then you will be looking for many lifetimes.

Hare Krishna




Because i'm the only person who posted that I eat eggs. =)

My mistake, i thought you are personally offended when you say i am denouncing your guru and the holy books of my religion. Which of course, I am not doing.

I have never read where you say you eat eggs.

It is in the "introduce yourself" area.

This forum is just too contentious for me. I feel like there's this constant nitpicking at other people's behaviour, and passing of judgement. Its not good for my health, nor a wise way to discuss the Lord. But regardless of how unsavoury my presence is for you here, I wish you well, and i will continue to search for a forum where i can be welcomed, as i once foolishly thought this was. =)

Haribol.

[DavyBoy]

This is Krishna katha

Hare Krishna.

[honeyflowerservant]

it seems strange that the original post was not directed specifically to Sri Joyan, but it could be true, as the Supersoul is inconceivable..
if this is the case, i think Sri Joyan should be overjoyed that he has gotten a response from Supersoul.
i however am quite sad to hear about the honey, as i am often saddened to hear about milk and the way cows are treated, it is possible to gather honey without endangering the bees, and since this is a practice that is declining in this world of cruelty, it is only fair to offer the honey and milk to Krishna through our Guru, so that the suffreing of the cows and the bees can be for a good reason, same as all other foods.
i can't eat eggs personally as i am allergic, and sometimes i would eat them unknowingly as many medicines and breads contain egg white.
also egg is often used in cheese that is labelled 'vegetarian'.


Physical Effects of Meat-Eating

Ample food grains can be produced through agricultural enterprises, and profuse milk, yogurt, and ghee can be arranged through cow protection. Abundant honey can be obtained if the forests are protected. Unfortunately, in modern civilization, men are busy killing the cows that are the source of yogurt, milk, and ghee; they are cutting down all the trees that supply honey, and they are opening factories to manufacture nuts, bolts, automobiles, and wine instead of engaging in agriculture. How can the people be happy? They must suffer from all the misery of materialism. Their bodies become wrinkled and gradually deteriorate until they become almost like dwarves, and a bad odor emanates from their bodies because of unclean perspiration resulting from eating all kinds of nasty things. This is not human civilization.

Srimad-Bhagavatam (5.16.25)


from a conversation:

Father Emmanuel: But shouldn't this humility be offered to everyone else, also?
Srila Prabhupada: Yes, but there are two kinds of respect: special and ordinary. Sri Krsna Caitanya taught that we shouldn't expect honor for ourselves, but should always respect everyone else, even if he is disrespectful to us. But special respect should be given to God and His pure devotee.


the way i see it, there is a level of anger in this discussion which pushes us out of being attracted to Krishna Consiousness. we want to educate, not agitate, those that have come to seek sincerely!


in response to "IMHO, eggs are the most disgusting of flesh items a person can consider eating." (IMHO, please can you explain what this stands for" -
an excerpt of the purport of:
Chapter 14. The Three Modes Of Material Nature
TEXT 16
"Of all kinds of animal killing, the killing of cows is most vicious because the cow gives us all kinds of pleasure by supplying milk. Cow slaughter is an act of the grossest type of ignorance. In the Vedic literature the words gobhih prinita-matsaram indicate that one who, being fully satisfied by milk, is desirous of killing the cow, is in the grossest ignorance."

Hare Krishna,

As a child I was allergic to eggs so even just the thought of eating them makes me gag! Then I learn what eggs are and they just disgust me all the more.

We have to be so careful with everything we eat. One of the reasons we offer our food is due to the unintentional deaths of little beings that lose their bodies while the grains etc are being grown and harvested.

If we eat according to our own sense enjoyment then we are eating sin. By offering all foods and only eating what the Lord has instructed in Bhagavad-gita then we are relieved from that sin.

Supermarket processed foods are very dangerous - not only physically but also spiritually. But we can learn what to eat and what not to eat by careful study and asking those who understand better than we do.

Reading labels in the supermarket can be a truly eye-popping experience!

The chemicals and hidden meat products are astounding - they hide egg and chicken broth in so called vegetarian dishes! And the chemicals - well, forget it.

Dairy is a big sticking point....we have to try to find a non-cruelty dairy or go soy.

Haribol

[honeyflowerservant]

for real, and i was shocked to see some 'cow gums' in the supermarket today, milky looking cow shaped sweets in a bag, the picture of a smiling cow's face on the packet - looked at the ingredients, 'beef gelatine'.

[honeyflowerservant]

as for Quorn, it may not say egg in the ingredients, but saw a documentary about it, its a scientifically produced fungus that is bound together by egg, it is simply mentioned as 'Quorn' (registered trademark) in the ingredients.

Thats HOT !

Sri Joyan vs Rukmini-Devi dasi. I don't know what intentions both had, but I believe personally that it is impossible to avoid sins. Think, Tomorrow you have too many cockroaches in the house what you shall do ?. What if snake comes to you ? What about insects .. will you let them gulp your blood ? How about lying ? ( we all lie )

The entire system is very complex, to me it appears as if all is out of human thinking and understanding.

If you just follow Lord Krishna as per Bhagwat Gita and worship him solely, your signs shall automatically get washed away.

[honeyflowerservant]

cockroach infestations are the worst. i've heard that bay trees are good for warding them off. otherwise move out, or get someone to get rid of them, whilst playing Kirtans, then the cockroach killer and the cockroaches will both benefit.
if our Guru instructs us to kill a snake, we are supposed to do so, but one very kind hearted person could not do it, although he felt bad that he had disobeyed his Guru.
insects that suck blood, i've been advised to endure the pain, not scratch, and they will go away, but they just kept biting and biting and now when i see a bed bug i just step on it. without a thought. its very heartless, but what can i do?
tea tree oil is a good insect repellant. we can only try our best.

Survival is first ! If you are fit and healthy then you can serve lord Krishna, and to be fit and healthy, you gotta do many things that are just out of your control and many of them are actually sins. How about lying someone for good ?

To me Only "Lord's Name" is a way out.

As humans we all have the propensity to cheat, misunderstand, we have imperfect senses and we make mistakes.

This is why we don't relie on our perverted conditioned senses. We relie on guru and Krishna.

We go by what Guru and Lord Krishna tell us. Not by what our senses tell us. Oh here is a nice fresh egg straight from the private area of a big fat chicken. Hmm...guru and Krishna tell me not to eat this. That by eating it I will incur sin. But oh, my mouth waters and my stomach growls. Oh what the heck...crack, sizzle, munch munch.

Next life...egg in frying pan.


Thats HOT !

Sri Joyan vs Rukmini-Devi dasi. I don't know what intentions both had, but I believe personally that it is impossible to avoid sins. Think, Tomorrow you have too many cockroaches in the house what you shall do ?. What if snake comes to you ? What about insects .. will you let them gulp your blood ? How about lying ? ( we all lie )

The entire system is very complex, to me it appears as if all is out of human thinking and understanding.

If you just follow Lord Krishna as per Bhagwat Gita and worship him solely, your signs shall automatically get washed away.

Fortunately, I don't have cockroaches here. But I know what you mean about them. I grew up in New Orleans and the cockroaches there are as big as bats.... :shock:

Your suggestion is very good. One thing I would add is before calling for help is you warn them. Ask them to please move out on their own and then chant to them and play bhajans.

Do the same for mice. Then get a cat. Many temples have cats to deal with such problems. It is so difficult but we do the best we can.

We kill living entities every time we bathe but what to do - not bathe? No, we are taught by guru and the vedas that we must be clean inside and outside.

So we offer up everything to the Supreme Lord. We chant, we worship and we pray.

And we do our best to pass on the teachings of Guru and Krishna to others so they can get out of this miserable mess of material nature.


cockroach infestations are the worst. i've heard that bay trees are good for warding them off. otherwise move out, or get someone to get rid of them, whilst playing Kirtans, then the cockroach killer and the cockroaches will both benefit.
if our Guru instructs us to kill a snake, we are supposed to do so, but one very kind hearted person could not do it, although he felt bad that he had disobeyed his Guru.
insects that suck blood, i've been advised to endure the pain, not scratch, and they will go away, but they just kept biting and biting and now when i see a bed bug i just step on it. without a thought. its very heartless, but what can i do?
tea tree oil is a good insect repellant. we can only try our best.

As humans we all have the propensity to cheat, misunderstand, we have imperfect senses and we make mistakes.

This is why we don't relie on our perverted conditioned senses. We relie on guru and Krishna.

We go by what Guru and Lord Krishna tell us. Not by what our senses tell us. Oh here is a nice fresh egg straight from the private area of a big fat chicken. Hmm...guru and Krishna tell me not to eat this. That by eating it I will incur sin. But oh, my mouth waters and my stomach growls. Oh what the heck...crack, sizzle, munch munch.

Next life...egg in frying pan.

If you read all my posts, I am talking about the broad prospective but you are still hung with eggs. What about insects, cockroaches, snakes, tigers, sharks ( they may just gulp you ), mad dogs and what not. How about simple and very common sin like "lying". I believe we humans are bound to make mistakes and sins, one or the other way. To cut them all what we have is "Lord's Name"
I believe you are too fanatical. Are you able to fully practice Krishna and Bhagwat Gita ? If so, I bow !

You didn't read my whole post.

Doesn't really matter.

If you pass on what you have learned from guru then you are a fanatic.

How sad!!! :lol:

Besides the title of thread is "eggs". So....why you bugging? :roll:


As humans we all have the propensity to cheat, misunderstand, we have imperfect senses and we make mistakes.

This is why we don't relie on our perverted conditioned senses. We relie on guru and Krishna.

We go by what Guru and Lord Krishna tell us. Not by what our senses tell us. Oh here is a nice fresh egg straight from the private area of a big fat chicken. Hmm...guru and Krishna tell me not to eat this. That by eating it I will incur sin. But oh, my mouth waters and my stomach growls. Oh what the heck...crack, sizzle, munch munch.

Next life...egg in frying pan.

If you read all my posts, I am talking about the broad prospective but you are still hung with eggs. What about insects, cockroaches, snakes, tigers, sharks ( they may just gulp you ), mad ** and what not. How about simple and very common sin like "lying". I believe we humans are bound to make mistakes and sins, one or the other way. To cut them all what we have is "Lord's Name"
I believe you are too fanatical. Are you able to fully practice Krishna and Bhagwat Gita ? If so, I bow !

You didn't read my whole post.

Doesn't really matter.

If you pass on what you have learned from guru then you are a fanatic.

How sad!!! :lol:

Besides the title of thread is "eggs". So....why you bugging? :roll:


Ok, I take my "fanatic" comment back, but was that an answer to my post ?

[honeyflowerservant]

for me the idea of fried eggs etc makes me think about abortion, that could be the karma, for every egg eaten, we will have to be aborted in our next lives. purely speculation, but its enough to put me off.

for me the idea of fried eggs etc makes me think about abortion, that could be the karma, for every egg eaten, we will have to be aborted in our next lives. purely speculation, but its enough to put me off.

I agree with eggs, but what about the rest of the things.. why no to a broader look ? they are sins as well and may result in a same kind of punishments.

since answering your questions is considered fanatical - here is a link for you -

http://www.asitis.com/

Read chapter 18 - slowly and with great attention.

I know you will say you have already read Bhagavad-gita. But remember this is kali-yuga and read back up to my post about the propensity of living entities. Once, twice, a million times is never enough - read it again.



for me the idea of fried eggs etc makes me think about abortion, that could be the karma, for every egg eaten, we will have to be aborted in our next lives. purely speculation, but its enough to put me off.

I agree with eggs, but what about the rest of the things.. why no to a broader look ? they are sins as well and may result in a same kind of punishments.

I am curious - How often do you have to wrestle sharks and tigers? :lol:
I would consider moving if I were you!

It is natural that we will protect ourselves if the need arises. Stop worrying about "what ifs". You do this a lot I have noticed.

Best to think about how to get out of this material jail house we have fallen into.

Always the three fold miseries - there will never be any relief as long as we are trapped in a material body be it a frog, hog, tree or human.

I have already taken "fanatical" word out, read the previous post. I am not for killing animals etc, but what I am questioning is something different, what if it comes to your life ? We all commit sins knowingly and unknowingly what about them ? what is the way out ?, is it not Lord's Name ?

[honeyflowerservant]

for me the idea of fried eggs etc makes me think about abortion, that could be the karma, for every egg eaten, we will have to be aborted in our next lives. purely speculation, but its enough to put me off.

I agree with eggs, but what about the rest of the things.. why no to a broader look ? they are sins as well and may result in a same kind of punishments.

i'm not sure what you mean.. killing cockroaches was something i refused to do but when they became more and more, i did ask them to leave and go somewhere else, and they spread to the the flats above and below, and i lost my deposit, i paid money to not kill them! and then when i moved, trying to make sure they wouldn't follow, i saw one, and then another, and within weeks.. hundreds.

one time i took the flower after offering it, and little baby roaches were emerging from the centre of the flower .. they were very abundant where the Altar was.

one day i played Srila Prabhupada on the stereo, a cockroach came out of the kitchen, as if it were attracted, but i was too quick and shouted Hare Krishna before ( :( ) letting it go..

then a devotee friend told me to call the council, they sent someone to remove them for free, i asked him if he minded if i play Kirtans so the roaches would have a better life next time.

this brings to mind Srila Prabhupada's purport to Nitai Pada Kamala which is available on tape, 'just let me take birth as an insect in a devotees home'.

but i am not a devotee, so what is to become of me? :oops:

You already know the answer to this question. And yes, the answer is in my post way up there.

Hare Krishna


I have already taken "fanatical" word out, read the previous post. I am not for killing animals etc, but what I am questioning is something different, what if it comes to your life ? We all commit sins knowingly and unknowingly what about them ? what is the way out ?, is it not Lord's Name ?

You already know the answer to this question. And yes, the answer is in my post way up there.

Hare Krishna
I don't wrestle with snakes, tigers or sharks, but I do wrestle with insects, like everyone. To me insect is same as of tiger, as the result is same.

Example : Suppose A pond near you is full of bad odor, insects and worms, will you let it remain that way it is and shall move somewhere else ? ( if everyone thinks that way then there will be bad ponds, bad odors, illness, and worms everywhere and survival shall be difficult ) and If no, either you will get ill or you will clean it or get it cleaned ( if you got ill, who will service lord ?, if you clean it or get it cleaned you will commit a sin in anyway ). We all tend to live in a clean environment, as our lord loves cleanliness.

Another example : Suppose, Tomorrow you have worms in your stomach, won't you take the medicine to get rid of them ?, will it not be a sin again to kill those worms ?.

Bringing the thread back to the original topic:


BgAII Prabhupada purport to Chapter 9 verse 26:

"One who loves Krishna will give Him whatever He wants, and he avoids offering anything which is undesirable or unasked for. Thus, meat, fish and eggs should not be offered to Krishna. If He desired such things as offerings, He would have said so. Instead He clearly requests that a leaf, fruit, flowers and water be given to Him, and He says of this offering, "I will accept it." Therefore, we should understand that He will not accept meat, fish and eggs. Vegetables, grains, fruits, milk and water are the proper foods for human beings and are prescribed by Lord Krishna Himself. Whatever else we eat cannot be offered to Him, since He will not accept it. Thus we cannot be acting on the level of loving devotion if we offer such foods."

It must be understood that when we eat unoffered foods we are eating sin.

Srimad Bhagavatam, Canto 7, Chapter 15, verse 40:

Prabhupada purport:

"...eats meat, eggs and all kinds of nonsense for the satisfaction of his tongue, he is a cheater and should immediately be rejected as unimportant. Such persons should be shown compassion, and if one has sufficient strength one should teach them to stop them from following the wrong path in life. Otherwise one should reject them and pay them no attention."

Some reasons why not to eat eggs -

Eggs contain D.D.T. :
After eighteen months of research it has been established that 30% of eggs contains D.D.T. (Poison).
---Agricultural Dept., Florida, America, Health Bulletin – October 1967

Eggs cause Heart Trouble, High Blood Pressure Etc.
Even if we had the best of eggs we would be better off without them, as they are too high in cholesterol. They are one of the important causes in diseases of the heart, arteries, brain, kidney, gallstones etc. While fruits and vegetables and vegetable oils have none or hardly any cholesterol.
---Dr. Catherine, Oceano, California (U.S.A.) – How healthy are eggs, P 7

Eggs cause Corrosion of Blood Vessels:
Eggs are also harmful. You may say that eggand I get along well, but a chemical analysis proves differently. The yoke of eggs contain cholesterol, a waxy alcohol that deposits in the liver and blood vessels producing corrosion, hardening of the arteries.
----Dr.J.Wilkins (England), How healthy are eggs, P 6-7

Eggs cause Skin Diseases & Paralysis
The Egg white is the more harmful portion of the egg. Animals fed on fresh egg white developed severe skin inflammation and paralysis.
----Dr. Robert Gross ( England ), How healthy are eggs, P 3-4
The factor in egg white that causes eczema is AVIDIN.
----Dr.J.Wilkins (England), How healthy are eggs, P 4

Eggs cause T.B. and White Diarrhea
Chicken diseases are numerous. Eggs may carry T.B. from chickens. If an infected chicken survives it matures and lays infectious eggs. Chickens leukemia may be transmitted through the eggs. Hens infected with white diarrhea will lay eggs containing the germs, which usually consists in the collitic symptom complexes in human beings.
----Dr. Robert Gross (England), How healthy are eggs, P 1

Eggs contain Phosphoric acid
Eggs are acid forming and they have excess of Nitrogen fat and phosphoric acid, and can not therefore form the natural diet of man.
----Dr. Govind Raj, How healthy are eggs, P 8

Eggs do not suit Human Digestion
Both the bile and pancreatic juices are indifferent to egg white, Nearly 33 to 50% of the egg white passes through the digestive tract undigested.
----Prof. Okada (England), How healthy are eggs, P 3

More thoughts -

In simple terms the egg is meant to be a chicken, or whatever bird it is coming from. However, the egg either has not become fertile or has died, and the chicken expells it from the body as part of its menstrual cycle just as human females do. Alternatly you will find in a "live egg" a small fetus inside the egg. It's again the same thing, either you are killing another living being or you are eating the menstrual cycle remnants of the chicken - it's up to you - BUT IT ISN'T REMOTELY VEGETARIAN.

Bon appetit!!! :roll:

[honeyflowerservant]

when i was young with the family friends there was an egg someone cracked open and it had blood and some kind of feather in it.
isn't that enough to stop anyone from wanting to eat them?
i guess not.
how about bird flu?

Keep circling around THE EGGS my friends, and think no further come what may. It is better to ignore other topics you have no answers to.

[DavyBoy]

I could never understand why its (allowed) to kill snakes?

davyboy

Keep circling around THE EGGS my friends, and think no further come what may. It is better to ignore other topics you have no answers to.

The topic of this thread is "Eggs" so what is the problem with posting about eggs. Besides you got your answer and if you will read chapter 18 of Bg you will get your answer again. Your refusal to see is your problem.

when i was young with the family friends there was an egg someone cracked open and it had blood and some kind of feather in it.
isn't that enough to stop anyone from wanting to eat them?
i guess not.
how about bird flu?

We raised chickens when I was a kid and I saw many eggs with tiny embryos, blood and feathers in them.

Good question about bird flu.

I could never understand why its (allowed) to kill snakes?

davyboy

The vedas tell us that even the saintly people are happy to see venomous snakes kill.

Snakes and scorpians were asuras in their previous lives and are given the lowest of life forms in this life due to their evil. In their snake bodies they are still envious, evil and poisonous just as they were in their previous asuras body.

They are given this snake body so that whenever they show themselves - people will want to kill them.

We have poisonous snakes here - I run!!!! :lol:

Prabhupada teaches us that it is ok to kill these poisonous creatures. This is taught in the vedas.

Keep circling around THE EGGS my friends, and think no further come what may. It is better to ignore other topics you have no answers to.

The topic of this thread is "Eggs" so what is the problem with posting about eggs. Besides you got your answer and if you will read chapter 18 of Bg you will get your answer again. Your refusal to see is your problem.

Can you tell me where or what exactly to see ?. I have no problem keep taking about eggs eggs and eggs, as it is your favourite topic

[honeyflowerservant]

Can you tell me where or what exactly to see ?. I have no problem keep taking about eggs eggs and eggs, as it is your favourite topic

a chicken with its head cut off will run in circles, which came first, the chicken or the egg?
its totally unnecessary to eat eggs.
Krishna says anyone who claims to love Him does not. And if they do love him, they love all living entities, including his devotees, and small babies who are unable to defend, and their mothers, a true lover of Krishna would feel for the mother, not steal her eggs and feel better that she was atleast allowed to walk around 'freely'.
a devotee sees the meanng of the Bhagavad Gita, whilst Mayavadis are unable to, they have to concoct their own meaning, being bereft of true spiritual vision.

[honeyflowerservant]

BG 18.2: The Supreme Personality of Godhead said: The giving up of activities that are based on material desire is what great learned men call the renounced order of life [sannyasa]. And giving up the results of all activities is what the wise call renunciation [tyaga].

BG 18.11: It is indeed impossible for an embodied being to give up all activities. But he who renounces the fruits of action is called one who has truly renounced.

BG 18.12: For one who is not renounced, the threefold fruits of action — desirable, undesirable and mixed — accrue after death. But those who are in the renounced order of life have no such result to suffer or enjoy.

EgglessDotCom (http://www.eggless.com/)

Still think it is ok for a vegetarian to eat eggs? Think again. Here is a very good paper on this topic.

Are eggs vegetarian?

There seems to be a lot of confusion as to whether eggs are or are not vegetarian. In Sikhi our rehit says we should not eat egg, be it processed, i.e. in cakes etc, or whole, as in an omelette, this is enough for us but for those that want a few more scientific facts, read on. This is a section taken from a Jainism article on meat and eggs. It has some interesting points and describes why eggs are not vegetarian.



Facts about Eggs

Do you remember as a child your mother telling you not to eat cakes or pastries that had eggs because you are a vegetarian? Many times I have heard people saying, eggs are vegetarian food and are good for health so we eat it. The myth about vegetarian eggs and its health-promoting qualities are misleading. Its consumption by so many vegetarians is really shocking. The ignorance of such matter has spread so far that people resist believing that an egg has potential life and that an egg has an unborn chick within its shell. Man's desires for food has made him go to extremes and leading him to eat those foods that are coloured with violence and pain. Nature has its reason for eggs, not by way of food for man but as an important link in the reproductive system of hens. It is the craving for violent food that actually numbs the feeling and thinking capacity of the human being. He ignores going deep into the subject and shuns the truth of the matter. But how long will he remain in darkness? For facts are facts and they will never change whether he accepts it or not. Let us look at some facts about eggs and remove the ignorance that prevails in our mind. The facts you are about to read are taken from the book Hundred Facts about Eggs by Dr. Nemi Chand.

Eggs of all birds are structurally alike (See the McDonald Encyclopaedia of Birds of the World, Page 30-31). Their internal structure is meant for reproduction of progeny and not for human consumption. By eating eggs, man has reverted to the hunting stage of his civilisation. He is meddling both with nature and with the reproductive system. The egg is totally forbidden for those who believe in non-violence. Right from the rearing of hens to the hatching of their eggs, there is violence all over. A visit to any poultry farm will support this fact. In poultry farms, hens are considered no better than egg-producing machines. They are confined to a narrow space of 15" x 19" in the midst of several hardships and tensions that are naturally passed on to the blood and system of those who eat their eggs and turn them into imbalance personalities. Chickens are housed in small-congested cages known as chickenhavens. Due to shortage of space, they naturally become violent, offensive, obsessed and quarrelsome. They attack one another in a barbarous manner. So they are de-beaked. Due to de-beaking, they are unable even to drink water. Do we not realise the cause of our present widespread complexes, aggressiveness and suffering in the chicken-havens? As mentioned earlier, hens are de-beaked to prevent them from fighting and wounding one another. The de-beaking is done in brown light, especially during the night when hens become almost blind. The lower beak is cut. If any mistake is made, the hen is deprived of food for the rest of her life. The hen has to starve at least for three days due to the wounded beak. Wouldn't this act of cruelty affect the egg-eater?

Hens are given five kinds of violent-generating foods: bone meal, blood-meal, excreta-food, meat-meal and fish-meal. Can we dare to call eggs vegetarian food even after learning this? The term vegetarian egg is a first-rate misnomer. The purpose of a fertile egg is to animate life, but an infertile egg has no such purpose and as such should be considered totally inedible.

Battery and factory eggs are harmful to health. It is better that we abstain ourselves from eating them. The egg produced without any contact with the male bird (and thus producing an infertile egg) is also animate because it is born out of the hen's body with its blood and cells. Therefore, its consumption is 100% non-vegetarian. According to the famous American scientist Mr. Philip J. Scamble, no egg is without life in it. The scientists at Michigan University in America have proven it beyond doubt that no egg - fertile or infertile - is without life (inanimate). The hen gives infertile eggs during the absence of the male bird. But it has been observed that she gives an infertile egg before the day of contact with the male bird - and also the next day. In other words, she can give a fertile egg even without contact with a male bird. On the fifth day, again she gives a fertile egg. This means that the semen of the male bird remains lying in her body for a considerable duration. In some cases, this duration has been observed to be as long as even six months. A fertilised egg is a pre-birth stage of a chicken; unfertilised eggs are the result of the sexual cycle of a hen and very unnatural. Both are non-vegetarian food. Victoria Moran, the author of the book Compassion: The Ultimate Ethics says, to eat fertilised egg is in fact to consume a chicken before its birth (The Ethic on borderline). I was told that an unfertilised egg is the product of a bird's sexual cycle and can hardly be regarded as natural food for Man. Whether the egg is fertile or infertile, life is essentially there; and it has all the symptoms of life, such as respiration, brain, feeding ability, etc. There are 15,000 porous-breathing holes on the shell, the cover of the egg. The egg begins to rot at a temperature of less than 8^ Celsius, 00^ Fahrenheit. When it begins this process, its rotting manifests itself through evaporation of the water content. The egg becomes infected by germs and thus becomes diseased. The progress of the rotting soon reaches the shell of the egg.

Eggs contain cholesterol in large quantities. The yellow bulk of the egg is the major source of cholesterol. Cholesterol narrows down the arteries and may eventually lead to a heart attack or to paralysis. Eating eggs may also lead to rheumatism and gout that can cause serious and painful joints in old age.


All the above facts lead to prove that eggs are not vegetarian and so let us re-think about the issue of eggs and realise that a balanced vegetarian diet contains an abundance of health protecting nutrients and fibres without eggs.

Hmm....What did come first the chicken?

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or the egg?

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Good question!

Eat Like A Human Being:

" Eating is required, but not eating too much. Not eating to the taste of the tongue, unnecessarily eating meat, fish, eggs. Why? You are human being. For you Krsna has given so much varieties of food stuff. Fruits, vegetables, nice rice, dal, milk, ghee. Why should you go to the meat-eating? This is required. You eat like human being, not like cats and dogs. But eating is not prohibited. That is not our philosophy. Don't eat like cats and dogs, but eat like human being." (Srila Prabhupada; Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.5.35; Vrndavana, August 16, 1974)

they are sins as well and may result in a same kind of punishments.

Since you didn't seem to get it from the posts from Honeyflowerservant, me or from reading the 18th chapter of BgAII then perhaps this will help you:

http://www.prabhupadavani.org/Bhagavatam/text/202.html

[honeyflowerservant]

Eat Like A Human Being:

" Eating is required, but not eating too much. Not eating to the taste of the tongue, unnecessarily eating meat, fish, eggs. Why? You are human being. For you Krsna has given so much varieties of food stuff. Fruits, vegetables, nice rice, dal, milk, ghee. Why should you go to the meat-eating? This is required. You eat like human being, not like cats and **. But eating is not prohibited. That is not our philosophy. Don't eat like cats and **, but eat like human being." (Srila Prabhupada; Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.5.35; Vrndavana, August 16, 1974)

it is strange that the canine species is a censored word here.

its even stranger and kinda alarming to see Srila Prabhupada's words being censored. :?

Hare Krishna Mataji!

vancha-kalpatarubhyas ca!

I find it highly disturbing that Prabhupada's words are censored here and in another thread I complained about this but to no avail.

Srila Prabhupada is a pure devotee and as such all his words are pure.

Besides, what is the problem with the canine word?

Haribol!

Eat Like A Human Being:

" Eating is required, but not eating too much. Not eating to the taste of the tongue, unnecessarily eating meat, fish, eggs. Why? You are human being. For you Krsna has given so much varieties of food stuff. Fruits, vegetables, nice rice, dal, milk, ghee. Why should you go to the meat-eating? This is required. You eat like human being, not like cats and **. But eating is not prohibited. That is not our philosophy. Don't eat like cats and **, but eat like human being." (Srila Prabhupada; Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.5.35; Vrndavana, August 16, 1974)

it is strange that the canine species is a censored word here.

its even stranger and kinda alarming to see Srila Prabhupada's words being censored. :?

[honeyflowerservant]

Hare Krishna Mataji!

vancha-kalpatarubhyas ca!

I find it highly disturbing that Prabhupada's words are censored here and in another thread I complained about this but to no avail.

Srila Prabhupada is a pure devotee and as such all his words are pure.

Besides, what is the problem with the canine word?

Haribol!


Dandabats Rukmini Devidasi,
i need to get my temple song book out torememeber how to say it right, but
Vancha Kalpa Timirandhasya
(that's what i thought it was :roll: )
could be that i'm thinking of tamarind too much..

yes i really don't know why dog is censored, (my?) (our?) Gurudev has declared them to be very affectionate,

"Affection," someone said. Srila Gurudev said, "Yes, cow and dog, I like very much. The dog is so affectionate. The cow is also very affectionate and the horse is also very affectionate, but we have no horse. And it is not possible to keep a horse; because who will ride it? When I was riding a horse it was my plan to keep one horse. Later days changed so much, then the motorcar came; instead of the horse came the motorcar. The horse is a very faithful and good animal. So many animals, if you give them affection, even the tiger, they also will not do wrong with you. If you are familiar with a tiger, give affection to the tiger, that tiger also will give affection to you. We have seen it...."


You might have noticed the little trick i picked up from another girl from a forum elsewhere. i'm overjoyed, as she is repelled by the subject of God but has now performed unknowing sukriti :D
i hope i don't offend as i attempt to preserve the words of our Spiritual Masters,

Jaya Prabhupada!

Eat Like A Human Being:

" Eating is required, but not eating too much. Not eating to the taste of the tongue, unnecessarily eating meat, fish, eggs. Why? You are human being. For you Krsna has given so much varieties of food stuff. Fruits, vegetables, nice rice, dal, milk, ghee. Why should you go to the meat-eating? This is required. You eat like human being, not like cats and dogs But eating is not prohibited. That is not our philosophy. Don't eat like cats and dogs, but eat like human being." (Srila Prabhupada; Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.5.35; Vrndavana, August 16, 1974)

it is strange that the canine species is a censored word here.

its even stranger and kinda alarming to see Srila Prabhupada's words being censored. :?

Hare Krishna Mataji!

Nice trick and thanks for sharing this!

Haribol!

[Ratnesh]

Thats HOT !

Sri Joyan vs Rukmini-Devi dasi. I don't know what intentions both had, but I believe personally that it is impossible to avoid sins. Think, Tomorrow you have too many cockroaches in the house what you shall do ?. What if snake comes to you ? What about insects .. will you let them gulp your blood ? How about lying ? ( we all lie )

The entire system is very complex, to me it appears as if all is out of human thinking and understanding.

If you just follow Lord Krishna as per Bhagwat Gita and worship him solely, your signs shall automatically get washed away.

Good Point you made. But killing a living being to satisfy our lounge can should not be permishable. For self defense, if you kill something and killing a chicken to eat is different.

Some people are there who do the mistake and say that this is not a mistake. Now a days we can find plenty of people who say that Egg is vegetarian. If they want to eat Egg we are not stopping them to eat the egg but I am requesting them that please do not call Egg a vegetarian.