Is there anyone above Krsn ?

Is there is anyone above Krsn ?. There are many galaxies in the universe, and we exist on one planet where we know of Krsn, what about other planets where life exists, who controls the entire life game, is this krsna everywhere or someone above him too ?

Hare Krsna,

Please forgive my quick reply. I am at work but wanted to answer your nice question.

Quite simply, no one is above Krishna. Lord Krsna very nicely explains this throughout Bhagavad Gita especially in Chapters 7 and 9 (if my memory serves me correctly :D however my memory fails me quite often. :shock: ).

If it slows down here a bit then I will try to answer in more depth or perhaps Devotee108 or Pada will see your question also and answer more fully.

Questions such as this one help us to remember Krishna...Hare Krsna!!!

Is there is anyone above Krsn ?. There are many galaxies in the universe, and we exist on one planet where we know of Krsn, what about other planets where life exists, who controls the entire life game, is this krsna everywhere or someone above him too ?

Thanks for your quick sweet reply. I look forward for a complete explanation.. so that I can fully understand the logic behind all this and clear my doubts !

The Journey of Self-Discovery page 101

Devotee: Srila Prabhupada, I read in Srimad Bhagavatam that when one becomes a liberated soul he attains perfect freedom and that sometimes his freedom is on the same level as Krsna's or even more than Krsna's. Can you explain this?

Srila Prabhupada: Yes. Take Vasudeva, for example. He's more than Krsna. Or mother Yasoda. You have seen the picture of Yasoda binding Krsna?

Devotee: Krsna looks like a little baby?

Srila Prabhupada: Yes. The Supreme Personality of Godhead is feared by everyone, but He becomes fearful of mother Yasoda: "My dear mother, kindly do not bind me. I shall obey your orders."
So mother Yasoda has become more than God, more than Krsna. The mayavadi (impersonalistic ) philosophers want to become one with the Lord, but our philosophy is to become more than Krsna. Why one with Krsna? More than Krsna. And, actually, Krsna does make His devotee more than Himself. Another example is Arjuna. Krsna took the part of his chariot driver. Krsna was actually the hero of the Battle of Kuruksetra, but He gave that position to his devotee: "Arjuna, you become the hero. I shall be your charioteer."
Krsna is like a father who want to see his son become more than himself. If the father has an M.A., he wants to see his son get a Ph.D. Then the father is satisfied. He'll not tolerate an outsider's becoming more than him, but he's glad if his son becomes more than him. Similarly, Krsna, the Supreme Lord, wants to see His devotee become more than Himself. That is His pleasure.

aham sarvasya prabhavo
mattah sarvam pravartate
iti matva bhajante mam
budha bhava-samanvitah

SYNONYMS

aham--I; sarvasya--of all; prabhavah--source of generation; mattah--from Me; sarvam--everything; pravartate--emanates; iti--thus; matva--knowing; bhajante--becomes devoted; mam--unto Me; budhah--learned; bhava-samanvitah--with great attention.
TRANSLATION

I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything emanates from Me. The wise who know this perfectly engage in My devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts.
PURPORT

A learned scholar who has studied the Vedas perfectly and has information from authorities like Lord Caitanya and who knows how to apply these teachings can understand that Krsna is the origin of everything in both the material and spiritual worlds, and because he knows this perfectly he becomes firmly fixed in the devotional service of the Supreme Lord. He can never be deviated by any amount of nonsensical commentaries or by fools. All Vedic literature agrees that Krsna is the source of Brahma, Siva and all other demigods. In the Atharva Veda it is said, "yo brahmanam vidadhati: purvam yo vai vedams ca gapayati sma krsnah." "It was Krsna who in the beginning instructed Brahma in Vedic knowledge and who disseminated Vedic knowledge in the past." Then again it is said, "atha puruso ha vai narayano 'kamayata prajah srjeya ity upakramya." "Then the Supreme Personality Narayana desired to create living entities." Again it is said:

narayanad brahma jayate, narayanad prajapatih prajayate, narayanad indro jayate, narayanad astau vasavo jayante, narayanad ekadasa
rudra jayante, narayanad dvadasadityah.


"From Narayana, Brahma is born, and from Narayana, the patriarchs are also born. From Narayana, Indra is born, from Narayana the eight Vasus are born, from Narayana the eleven Rudras are born, from Narayana the twelve Adityas are born."
It is said in the same Vedas, brahmanyo devaki-putrah: "The son of Devaki, Krsna, is the Supreme Personality." Then it is said:


eko vai narayana asin na brahma na isano napo nagni samau neme
dyav-aprthivi na naksatrani na suryah sa ekaki na ramate tasya
dhyanantah sthasya yatra chandogaih kriyamanastakadi-samjnaka
stuti-stomah stomam ucyate.


"In the beginning of the creation there was only the Supreme Personality Narayana. There was no Brahma, no Siva, no fire, no moon, no stars in the sky, no sun. There was only Krsna, who creates all and enjoys all"
In the many Puranas it is said that Lord Siva was born from the highest, the Supreme Lord Krsna, and the Vedas say that it is the Supreme Lord, the creator of Brahma and Siva, who is to be worshiped. In the Moksa-dharma Krsna also says,

prajapatim ca rudram capy aham eva srjami vai tau hi mam na vijanito mama maya-vimohitau. "The patriarchs, Siva and others are created by Me, though they do not know that they are created by Me because they are deluded by My illusory energy." In the Varaha Purana it is also said,

narayanah paro devas tasmaj jatas caturmukhah tasmad rudro 'bhavad devah sa ca sarva-jnatam gatah. "Narayana is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and from Him Brahma was born, from whom Siva was born."
Lord Krsna is the source of all generations, and He is called the most efficient cause of everything. He says that because "everything is born of Me, I am the original source of all. Everything is under Me; no one is above Me." There is no supreme controller other than Krsna. One who understands Krsna in such a way from a bona fide spiritual master and from Vedic literature, who engages all his energy in Krsna consciousness, becomes a truly learned man. In comparison to him, all others, who do not know Krsna properly, are but fools. Only a fool would consider Krsna to be an ordinary man. A Krsna conscious person should not be bewildered by fools; he should avoid all unauthorized commentaries and interpretations on Bhagavad-gita and proceed in Krsna consciousness with determination and firmness.

[Radian]

THEIR IS NO ONE ABOVE LORD KRISHNA BECAUSE HE IS THE PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD(HEAVEN)

[George Dennill]

Dear ilovekrsna,

The One who speaks the Gita is, by definition, God (the Supreme Personality of Godhead).

In addition, He who speaks the Gita (Sri Krsna) reveals His cosmic form to Arjuna.

In this age there are many claiming to be avatars, but just ask them if they speak the Gita or if they can reveal their cosmic form. This will settle the matter: Krsna is God in His sat-cid-ananda vigraha, the original, absolute form of truth, eternality and bliss.

Some claim that (impersonal) Brahman is higher than Krsna, and that Sri Krsna is but one form that has emerged from Brahman over the aeons. There is evidence in the Vedas that God without form can also be worshipped, but I doubt that it is ever said that the formless aspect of God is higher than His form. How can the lesser give rise to the greater?

Haribol,

George

[Sri Joyan]

Well, considering that all entities are in fact incarnations and manefestations of the same root, KRSNA and VISHNU and SHIVA and YOUR NEIGHBOUR and ME and THE CAT are all the same, stemming from one god as we read in the Upanishads. We just see things as being different or higher or lower because of the physical plane we live on - duality and all that. The souls which are embodied in these differently-shaped beings are at different levels of enlightenment, but as you know we are all going to the same place - Godhead - in the end. So we are all working to that goal. Krsna is a manefestation of god on earth to show us the way. So saying "no one is higher" is true, but that is because there is no one else. Remember when Krsna revealed himself to Arjuna in all his many manefestations? Get what im saying?

If everyone knows and in vedas it is clearly mentioned that Krishna is THE godhead then why people still don't understand ?

-assume-
Say, tomorrow if we all, the followers of krishna come to know that krishna is not the supreme then will we all divert from krishna and shall start following the one who is supreme or will we still stick with krishna ?
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Even when Lord Krishna was performing His pastimes on this planet there were those who did not see who He was. Some saw Him as just another living entity, others saw Him as an enemy and so on.

Only His devotees knew Him as the supreme being. The key word in the previous sentence is "devotees".

Lord Krsna only reveals Himself to His devotees. And He reveals Himself according to our understanding. As our understanding grows Krsna will reveal more to us.

The eyes of the non-devotees are covered over with the blinding veil of Maya and so they can not see even if the evidence is thrown in front of them.

This includes the non-devotees minds - even if they read the scriptures they will not see Krsna.

[Shyama]

All true devotees of Sree Krishna are above Him. (Ok dont freak out now). I meant in the sense that to a true devotee Krish gives Himself and at this stage where is the question of superiority.
Bye

[DavyBoy]

Hare Krishna Shyama,

and welcome to the forum.

[George Dennill]

Dear Sri Joyan,

It appears to me that you have clearly understood that the elephant, the learned brahmana, and dog and the dog-eater are equal. A devotee obtains this insight because he realises that all emanate from God. You are most fortunate.

However, if it stops there, then our consciousness would be fixed upon the illlusory, material energy (prakrti) rather than the Creator of that material energy (Purusa). Every living entity and all 'non-living' matter is driven by the presence of God (as Narayana or Paramatma). He is at the center of each atom, otherwise the electrons would not have the energy to move. However, why be pre-occupied with the toys when one can get to know the toy-maker? If one loves the toy-maker, then one automatically loves His toys. Jesus said: love God with all your heart and mind and soul and [then] love your neighbour as yourself. So you have a choice - to worship the created or the Creator. The former get enough attention from those who are completely under the influnce of Sri Mayadevi! By chasing after money, power and lust God is being indirectly worshipped as maya, but this is surely hardly as satisfying as transcending material attachment by worshipping the Supreme Person?

Hare Krsna,

George Dennill

[George Dennill]

Dear Sri Joyan,

That first sentence should have read "...the dog and the dog-eater..."

Am experiencing some problems with internet.

Second issue: If we worship Sri Krsna and find out later that He emanates from another Person whom we now take to be God, then I would imagine that there is nothing wrong. I think this because we all have to worship God as He has chosen to reveal Himself to us. So there are people who worship God as Jesus, as Ma Kali, as Sri Sivaji etc.

This is not to say that 'anything goes'. I personally believe that Sri Krsna IS GOD. But I also would imagine that devotion to God is more important than the form of the devotion.

I think that some lessons from Sri Ramakrishna are appropriate:

1. An ant sees a mountain of sugar. He eats one grain of sugar and then thinks thta he will carry away the entire mountain!
2. A man drinking in a pub is worried about how much drink there is in the store when the drink he has in his hands is more than sufficient.
3. People have glimpses of God and then set themselves up as authorities and try to teach others.
4. All doors lead to the same home. Some are clean and grand and provide easy entry while others are dirty and more difficult in providing access. Nevertheless, there are many doors and they all lead into the same house! Jesus said "In my mansion there are many rooms".
5. We must acpet that in God's creation, all things are possible. But one thing we must guard against is to say that our views are correct and that those of others are wrong. ONLY THEN WILL GOD TEACH US.

WOW!

Hare Krsna Prabhus and Matajis.

George Dennill

[Sri Joyan]

If everyone knows and in vedas it is clearly mentioned that Krishna is THE godhead then why people still don't understand ?

-assume-
Say, tomorrow if we all, the followers of krishna come to know that krishna is not the supreme then will we all divert from krishna and shall start following the one who is supreme or will we still stick with krishna ?
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It doesn't happen right away for everyone. One has to be open to receiving the wisdom of the vedas in the first place. Most people, including many devotees of krishna, are caught up in the material world and find it difficult to believe in anything supreme. But Krishna gives us many chances t oget it right.

[Sara]

Just one quick question. I'm kinda curious about this. Actually I don't understand the term of God in Hinduism. But as I see in your replies, Krishna is regarded as the most supreme. Meaning no one is above him. Am I right? So my question is then did Lord Krishna created us (human)? If no then who did and is't He regarded as the most supreme then :?:

[Angelallah]

Anyone above Krishna?
Of course there is!
Maybe Michael Jackson.

Maybe not but Michael Jackson smells a lot like Krishna to me. Ask within your heart there you will fing the answers,.

[Sara]

In my heart is of course the creator is above All, which is only one GOD, not GODS, not GODDESS, but only ONE GOD.

(I said not GODDESS because GOD is neither male nor female)



~Believe The Truth Only~

[varadaraja sharma]

Radhe Krishna,

Yes the absolute truth, as per vedas, puranas, smruthis, is that God is one and only one. There are no Gods or Godesses. Even to give a prefix like Demi before gods to what u call devas is against this spirit.

Although through different interpretation in sanathana Dharma, the only true god is referred as Vishnu, Shiva, Durga, Surya, Ganapathi,a Formless Brahmum - cutting across sampradayas - cutting across philosophical differences - if the different schools of Sanathana Dharma agree on one thing - it is that God is one - only one

A Person who worships Radha Krishna Yugalam would see only the yugalam in all the chetana and achetana vastus he come across.

Radhe krishna

[varadaraja sharma]

Radhe Krishna,

Then what are the so called demigods. In the classical sanathana Dharma, they are called devathantharas.

If u want a biblical or koranical parallel, u can equate them with what u call as angels or Jins - what we call in Dharma Shasthras as Devathas - durdevathas - Kshudra devathas.

Hope the difference between God and devathas is given above clearly. Never, Never, Never there can be Gods.


Radhe krishna

[mathuranath das]

Although the Supreme Lord is the predominating source and power above all else, His internal potency (yoga-maya) hides His glories from His most intimate associates in order to enhance the Lord's pleasure of loving and intimate pastimes. This is to such a degree that The Lord takes more delight in the chastisements of His mother and the Gopis than he does in all the awe and reverence He recieves in Vaikuntha. He delights also in exhalting His devotees, All of His lilas are demonstrations of His exhalting of His devotees, He is Bhakta-vatsalya- He loves his devotees more than himself.

His external potency (maha-maya) covers the understanding of the conditioned souls and only when they come in connection with and render service to His devotees do they obtain the necessarry qualification (sukriti) to awaken from the delusion of the conditioned state.

The devotees and acharyas (gurus) are the visa granting officers that open the way for the conditioned souls. So is anyone higher than Krsna? Yes.
Krsna Himself says:
mad bhaktta pujyabhyadhika sarva bhuteshu man matih
" The worship of my devotees is the real worship of me."
Faith in Krsna is the special mercy of Krsna's internal potency. It is a gift and an endowment upon us from the higher reality that enriches us with devotion and calls us home to Vraja Dham.

[Chaitanyadasa]

Is there is anyone above Krsn ?. There are many galaxies in the universe, and we exist on one planet where we know of Krsn, what about other planets where life exists, who controls the entire life game, is this krsna everywhere or someone above him too ?

Haribol!, There is noone above Lord Krishna, Thats what we understand from Bhagavadgita,Shrimadbhagavatam and from Upanishads.
'Mattah parataram nanyat kinchidasti Dhananjaya' means there is nothing
exists beyond me(That means whatever that exists that is under him)BG:7, according to Shreemadbhagavatam there is nothing equal to him or superior to him(asamourdhva) and according to Shvetashataropanishat also same we can understand 'na tat samaschabhyadhikascha vidyate'
There is noone else beyond krishna or equal to krishna.We can find unlimited evidences from different bonafide sources by which the
learned scolars have cuncluded that Lord Krishna is the suprem personality of GODHEAD.Please read the commentory of Shrila
Prabhupada on Bhagavadgita as it is and chant harekrishna
mahamantra. This will help us to understand the unparelleled
supremacy of the one and only lord Shri Krishna.

Gauranityananda hari bol !