Proof of Krishna's presence...

For the non believers how can we prove krishna's presence in this world and can make them aware that no one is above Krishna ?

I'm not sure you guys would know alot about this, being hindus and not pagans/wiccans, but what about evocation?

Or invocation, for that matter? Works wonders to make disbelievers believe.

[Radian]

DO YOU NOT SEE WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS WORLD OF US IS'NT THAT ENOUGH TO PROVE OF KRISHNA'S EXISTENCE

[George Dennill]

Dear ilovekrsna prabhu/mataji,

If we could 'prove' to people that Lord Krsna exists (in the worldly sense that agnostics require/demand), this would have a number of devastating implications.

Firstly, it would mean that we are more powerful than God (Krsna) because we are able to make Him appear at the demands of some fallen soul who, entangled in maya, asks for 'proof' of Sri Krsna's existence. We are not conjurors!

Secondly, it would take away free will, which Sri Krsna insists we should have. The very fact that you and I occupy physical bodies is because we exercied our free will to enjoy independently of Sri Krsna. We walked out of Paradise, and Sri Krsna wants us back only if we want to go back. Even a human father has these qualities. Who wants to force anyone to love him/her?

No - Sri Krsna will only reveal Himself to those who earnestly desire to see Him. Faith and hope and trust have to be established in any relationship before the friends or lovers bare themselves to each other. Even moreso with our dear, sweet and gentle Krsna!

So, for those who wish for proof - just tell them to desire first.

Hare Krsna,

Your friend and servant,

George

[Badri]

Yes! I can prove it!

How is your body functioining!

And why are you dead after some days???


Like a battary supplied to a robot, god is our battary and help us to like and after it discharges! we....


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"Who wants to force anyone to love him/her? "

You and many of you krishna people talk about how much free will God has given us , to either love him or not, but note that this is all untrue and you are lying every time you say this.

Krishna curses, he sais so himself in the gita, everyone who gets attached to his senses. He also sais about the demons, whom never surrender to him and so he talks how they fall into the worst existence of hell.

THIS IS NOT FREE WILL
IT IS AS HE HAUNTS SOMEONE WHO DO NOT WORSHIP HIM


CONCLUSION: KRISHNA IS N O T GOD OR YOUR CONCEPT OF GOD IS NOT LOGICAL

Go ahead and have fun with your immature beliefs ( opinions ) about god. I know it makes you feel powerful and in control and superior.

That is how the filthy gurus and authorities keep you in a state of suggestibility, thru your weakness.

This is what my master, YOURMASTER, has told me and it is an obvious truth.

Your beliefs are nothing more than a security blanket. They take you nowhere.

[George Dennill]

Dear HolkaPolka

I don't recall Sri Krsna saying that He curses people who are attached to their senses. It is we who curse ourselves by being attached to the senses instead of being attached to Him and the worst of it is that He grants us our desires! You have yourself to fear - not Krsna!

Dear 'yourmaster'

You are defeated by your own argument, because you say we must listen to no guru, but that we should listen to you. That means that you claim to be a guru. So why should we listen to you?

You say that others have immature beliefs about God that make them feel powerful. No. We share what little we know, claiming to only have a mere glimpse. A forum is to share that, not to condemn other's views. Your views are as immature as ours, and your arrogance in condemning our views may rather indicate a lust for power on your side...?

I accept your views, however. If you don't want a guru, don't take one! There are so many cheater-gurus anyway. If anyone forces you to accept a guru, please call the police.

Your friend,

George