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asm · Joined: 09 Oct 2005 Posts: 2

hi! hare krishna movement's philosophy is quite interesting

sorry i am making lousy speculation here

now i try to think what krishna said personally word to word, not to interpreteurs. many kind of mistakes can be made by humans, but i try to think what he said and cope it with my own knowledge.

but he speak a way that other people respect his words and avoid speaking things what cause amusement

that krishna said in bhagavad gita "leave all forms of religion and surrender directly to me, do not fear". i think this means that its a process inside mind. so assuming human isn't normally engaged in right mental working but rather his mind is confused. and because brains have connection to body that may cause that his body is also engaged to processes what aren't healthy.

the question is is there a very rare state of mind what neurology could recognise, a state or process what krishna is describing in bhagavad gita?

honeyflowerservant · Joined: 03 Oct 2005 Posts: 76

interesting that you mention neurology..
don't think too much!

honeyflowerservant · Joined: 03 Oct 2005 Posts: 76

seriously, you've spoken about neurology in relation to Krishna Consciousness, do you know alot about this? i know that in Krishna book 1, in the chapter where Princess Rukmini is kidnapped (by Krishna, don't worry!) Prabhupada explained that twitching in the left side was auspicious, and inauspicious if the twitching was on the right side, but in males the left side is inauspicious and the right side is auspicious. this twitching is also called trembling, it occurs in the leg, or hand for instance, under the skin, or under the eye as i recall Krishna book saying.

asm · Joined: 09 Oct 2005 Posts: 2

i don't know much about neurology. but i guess i have to read it more

in bhagavad gita there is description of samadhi:
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Chapter 6

In the stage of perfection called trance, or samadhi, one's mind is completely restrained from material mental activities by practice of yoga. This perfection is characterized by one's ability to see the self by the pure mind and to relish and rejoice in the self. In that joyous state, one is situated in boundless transcendental happiness, realized through transcendental senses. Established thus, one never departs from the truth, and upon gaining this he thinks there is no greater gain. Being situated in such a position, one is never shaken, even in the midst of greatest difficulty. This indeed is actual freedom from all miseries arising from material contact.

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i guess samadhi could be some kind of special stage where mind can stay active long time without disturbation. but this stage would be very rare

honeyflowerservant · Joined: 03 Oct 2005 Posts: 76

i might be wrong, but i'm thinking that the state of Samadhi can be reached while executing pure devotional service. this would be very difficult to attain, yes. i wish it was easier.. although it is. one has to simply let go of their material desires, and .. if one can do that with the wish to execute devotional service instead, they can be successful. this is in the purport of the Bhagavid Gita, is should say the exact parts. it would be nice to hear parts of the Bhagavad Gita that realate to this. it might also help us acheive better Samadhi, if that's what should be our aim.

i practiced many times as a child to free my mind from all activity, but it was impossible, there had to be something in my mind.

so to make Krishna or Guru, or Caitanya (i could go on forever!) the center of the mind is the ultimate way i think. not sure how you feel about it, but thanks for the insight, Samadhi trance is something to strive for, but isn't it also sense gratification? i'm confused about this. but i'll try anyway.Jai!!

bhaktabob · Joined: 16 Oct 2005 Posts: 8

For me, the path to freeing my mind is to chant Hare Krishna. In the start, it was difficult to fix my mind on only Krishna but over time it became much easier and these days it is the best part of my day as I am affixed to only Krishna and not affected by the maya around me.

Beyond that, I must learn to translate that to day to day affairs and I am trying to see Krishna in everything and everyone.This is, I am sure, going to take some time

honeyflowerservant · Joined: 03 Oct 2005 Posts: 76

JAYA PRABHUPADA!

found this reference just a few minutes ago:

Bhaktivedanta VedaBase: Srimad Bhagavatam 3.33.27

nityarudha-samadhitvat
paravritta-guna-bhrama
na sasmara tadatmana
svapne dristam ivotthitah

SYNONYMS

nitya — eternal; arudha — situated in; samadhitvat — from trance; paravritta — freed from; guna — of the modes of material nature; bhrama — illusion; na sasmara — she did not remember; tada — then; atmanam — her material body; svapne — in a dream; dristam — seen; iva — just as; utthitah — one who has arisen.

TRANSLATION

Situated in eternal trance and freed from illusion impelled by the modes of material nature, she forgot her material body, just as one forgets his different bodies in a dream.

PURPORT

A great Vaishnava said that he who has no remembrance of his body is not bound to material existence. As long as we are conscious of our bodily existence, it is to be understood that we are living conditionally, under the three modes of material nature. When one forgets his bodily existence, his conditional, material life is over. This forgetfulness is actually possible when we engage our senses in the transcendental loving service of the Lord. In the conditional state, one engages his senses as a member of a family or as a member of a society or country. But when one forgets all such membership in material circumstances and realizes that he is an eternal servant of the Supreme Lord, that is actual forgetfulness of material existence.
This forgetfulness actually occurs when one renders service unto the Lord. A devotee no longer works with the body for sense gratification with family, society, country, humanity and so on. He simply works for the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krshna. That is perfect Krshna consciousness.
A devotee always merges in transcendental happiness, and therefore he has no experience of material distresses. This transcendental happiness is called eternal bliss. According to the opinion of devotees, constant remembrance of the Supreme Lord is called samadhi, or trance. If one is constantly in trance, there is no possibility of his being attacked or even touched by the modes of material nature. As soon as one is freed from the contamination of the three material modes, he no longer has to take birth to transmigrate from one form to another in this material world.

http://vedabase.net/sb/3/33/27/

Sri Joyan · Joined: 01 Mar 2005 Posts: 35

honeyflowerservant wrote: this twitching is also called trembling, it occurs in the leg, or hand for instance, under the skin, or under the eye as i recall Krishna book saying.

haha.. twitching under the eye. I guess now i will see it as being auspicious instead of just slightly irritating. ;p

honeyflowerservant · Joined: 03 Oct 2005 Posts: 76

Sri Joyan wrote: honeyflowerservant wrote: this twitching is also called trembling, it occurs in the leg, or hand for instance, under the skin, or under the eye as i recall Krishna book saying.

haha.. twitching under the eye. I guess now i will see it as being auspicious instead of just slightly irritating. ;p \

you may have an eye irritation then..

last night i was reading the science section in a free sunday magazine, 'DIY Doc - why do my eyelids keep twitching' which says if you are not tired, or have inflamed skin, or red itchy eyes, or blocked tear ducts which cause the eyes to water alot, then, (if you have nerve symptoms elsewhere in the body) then 'rareley, myokymia can herald the onset of multiple sclerosis'.

i shouldn't be reading those papers. Srila Prabhupada's books are much more comforting. i should have said that it is inauspicious if the twitching is in the left side, if you are male( right side if you are female).

its probably a case of tiredness and stress, not enough water, i hope?
i doubt its anything worse :)

as for ms, those are my 'official' name initials. and i already have a bit of rheumatism. doctor doesn't want to know. i'm more scared than irritated.

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