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Bhakta John · Joined: 02 Jan 2006 Posts: 9 Location: Michigan

My Dear Lord Krsna

I have been looking for you. I have wandered here and there
and everywhere, and you have led me toward you.

Just when I am about to lose hope, you peek around the
corner, and I am full of hope and love again, then I run
to find you, and you are no longer waiting around the corner
so i look for you again, until I see your beautiful face,
and each time I think you will be there for me when i come
around the corner, and you are not there.

When the insects are buzzing around me, I cry out to them
"Go tell Krsna I am heartbroken" I miss you so much.
I tell everyone I know all about you until they are sick
of me talking about you. You are the ultimate goal of life
and You are my refuge. I only wish the others could see
you and stop following their own programs.

People are always leading me away from you, I know that
you are protecting me, and teaching me about this happening.

Thank you for keeping me
stuck on you

honeyflowerservant · Joined: 03 Oct 2005 Posts: 76

:(
my false ego is my enemy.
bound to torture i am unable to appreciate.
please pray for me to be left alone by the demons that infest my consciousness!
All Glories to Sri Guru and Sri Gauranga!
All Glories to the Devotees!
Hare Krshna.

BhaktaRay · Joined: 05 Dec 2005 Posts: 16

reception
O best among men [Arjuna], the person
who is not disturbed by happiness and distress
and is steady in both is certainly eligible for liberation.
Bhagavad-Gita Ch2 Text 15

1
all flags of day
announce You

garlands of wind
feral with the scent
of Freesia
deck nostrils’ porticos

and winding alcoves
of my ears alight
with linnet fevers

Your approaches
as I tell them
taste
of milk and cardamom

that through clear
antechambers
of my eyes
festooned
with sunlight
You step in

I bow
and we are still

2
night howls
no invitation

tear-cracked
ruined windows
of half blindness

scars of darkness
in the shape
of Your departing
footprints

skin furred
with sleepless
watches round
the dying coals
of memory

Your silence
gouges caves
of listening
where inhospitable
darkness wakes

I rise
and we dance

honeyflowerservant · Joined: 03 Oct 2005 Posts: 76

oh no! i've been aiming for service, no wonder i messed up, i was supposed to be trying for liberation! silly me.

BhaktaRay · Joined: 05 Dec 2005 Posts: 16

Purport to ch2 text 15 BG
Quote: Anyone who is steady in his determination for the advanced stage of spiritual realization and can equally tolerate the onslaughts of distress and happiness is certainly a person eligible for liberation.
Nothing Krsna says in the Bhagavad Gita is superfluous and is all relevant to the subject matter of devotional service, bhakti yoga.

In other words if one is not eligible for liberation, one is certainly not eligible for unalloyed devotional service.

honeyflowerservant · Joined: 03 Oct 2005 Posts: 76

BhaktaRay wrote: Purport to ch2 text 15 BG
Quote: Anyone who is steady in his determination for the advanced stage of spiritual realization and can equally tolerate the onslaughts of distress and happiness is certainly a person eligible for liberation.
Nothing Krsna says in the Bhagavad Gita is superfluous and is all relevant to the subject matter of devotional service, bhakti yoga.

In other words if one is not eligible for liberation, one is certainly not eligible for unalloyed devotional service.

on the contrary... as spoken by the Acarya himself, Srila Prabhupada,
"No, bhakti. When we speak of bhakti, mukti is included. Without bhakti, there is no mukti, but if we act on the platform of bhakti, then mukti is included."

BhaktaRay · Joined: 05 Dec 2005 Posts: 16

It is not contrary. It is logical. If bhakti includes mukti and one is not eligible for mukti how is it possible to have bhakti? If one is moved by the dualities of happiness and distress pure and unalloyed devotional service is out of the question. If being a layer include having a bachelor's degree, then if one does not have a bachelors degree one is not a lawyer.

BhaktaRay · Joined: 05 Dec 2005 Posts: 16

If being a lawyer includes having a university degree, then if one does not have a university degree, one is not a lawyer.

madhu · Joined: 02 Nov 2005 Posts: 37 Location: london

Sri Bhaktidevi is not dependant on ANYTHING, She can descend anywhhere anytime by Her own sweet will, It maybe the exception rather than the rule, but Krsna and his internal potency are never bound by any law. The finite can never conceive of the Absolute, but the Absolute would not be the Absolute if He could not make himself known to the finite,by exercising His own sweet free will. Sri Bhakti ki jaya :D

BhaktaRay · Joined: 05 Dec 2005 Posts: 16

if p then q implies if not q then not p.
If one has bhakti then one has moksa, implies if one does not have moksa one does not have bhakti.
The dependency is in the other direction.
Certainly if one does not qualify for moksa because one is disturbed by the dualities of existence, then one certainly does not qualify for Bhaktidevi.

madhu · Joined: 02 Nov 2005 Posts: 37 Location: london

BhaktaRay wrote: if p then q implies if not q then not p.
If one has bhakti then one has moksa, implies if one does not have moksa one does not have bhakti.
The dependency is in the other direction.
Certainly if one does not qualify for moksa because one is disturbed by the dualities of existence, then one certainly does not qualify for Bhaktidevi.
Qualifications live within world of justice... The Lord and His Dear Devotees live in the land of mercy...and They are not subject to any law or conditions anyone tries to force apon Them. Nothing is impossible for The Lord, and if He chooses to award Bhakti to whomever He wants,who can stop Him?
i am not disagreeing with you,that would be foolish,of course,BUT, these rules only apply to the jivas who are following the ascending path of practicing sadhana..but can you deny that The Lord can do whatsoever He pleases,according to His own sweet will.
Although i'm sure your comments will protect young devotees from the danger of sahajiyaism Gauaranga Nitai :P :D

honeyflowerservant · Joined: 03 Oct 2005 Posts: 76

BhaktaRay wrote: If being a lawyer includes having a university degree, then if one does not have a university degree, one is not a lawyer.
BhaktaRay wrote: if p then q implies if not q then not p.
If one has bhakti then one has moksa, implies if one does not have moksa one does not have bhakti.
The dependency is in the other direction.
Certainly if one does not qualify for moksa because one is disturbed by the dualities of existence, then one certainly does not qualify for Bhaktidevi.

Srila Prabhupada
Bhagavad-gita 3.21-25
New York, May 30, 1966
"If you want to establish religious truth, you cannot establish it by your logic and argument. It is not possible because I may be a very perfect religious man, but I may not be a very good arguer; another strong man who can argue very strongly, who knows logic very nicely, he can defeat me. He can make my all conclusion null and void. So therefore, simply by argument or logical conclusion one cannot reach to the truth, to the religious truth. It is not possible. "

i don't claim to be a very perfect religious person, or a pure devotee, not even a devotee, but i can honestly say that i am distressed when i find that i'm held back from devotional service, or appreciation, by my demoniac flaws. is this the same as being swayed by happiness or distress? yes i get distresed with material life, but i wasn't talking about that. i was talking about the unhappiness i feel because i fail as a good devotee. although people engage me in Krishna Katha, i am not able to appreciate it (hey may be i should start going to your temple!), there is some kind of bug that stops me from feeling. i should be engaged in full time service and i'm not. that's my bad karma. sure, i guess i deserve it, but i won't lie and say it doesn't make sad :?

honeyflowerservant · Joined: 03 Oct 2005 Posts: 76

Srimad Bhagavatam 3.25.33

PURPORT

.... Similarly, a devotee does not have to try separately to attain liberation. That very service to the Supreme Personality of Godhead is the process of his liberation because to engage oneself in the service of the Lord is to liberate oneself from material entanglement....

Copyright (c) The Bhaktivedanta Book Trust International, Inc.
His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, Founder Acarya of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness

chipoffhteoldblock · Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:52 am Post subject:

Do You Believe?

When the lake is serene, it's reflection can be seen.
For the bad and the mean, it remains obscure.
For the pure and humble, it's colours supreme.
Hearts fill with mystical visions bringing life
and beauty, freedom and faith.
The appearance of a rainbow amidst an Autumn shower.
An explosion of colour and wonder.
A pot of Gold for those who believe.
Seen and felt, yet seldom grasped.
True Love is for those who hold no doubt.

Kym Sinclair, 1985