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Pankaja dasa · Joined: 05 Dec 2005 Posts: 60

I cannot name who said this, (they know who they are):

This is what he said Kripaluji teachings are:
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Name withheld: He says one who was Jivva Tatwa in the beginning but after performing bhakti of Krishna or Raam exceed maaya is Mahapurush.

Name withheld:We are jeev tatwa and only when we perform bhakti we become vishnu-tattva....the only truth and nothing but the truth..
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He also told me according to the above Kripaluji Maharaja is Vishnu-tattva.

I rest my case.

Mayavda

shri_guruve_namah · Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 3 Location: INDIA

Do not want to get into this, since I am an unauthorised person to say anything on deep philosophy of Spiritual science. However I feel the above kind of quotes may give false impression and since this forum is read by many Krishna Lover's, so I say as far as I understood from my Guru:
There are two kind of Mahapurush’s

1) Sadhansiddh Mahapurush,: The one does Sadhana and attains Shri Krishna:
Then that Mayabadh jeev (Jeev tatv) becomes Mayateet (i.e. beyond or exceeds Maya) and he will never come under Maya again. He becomes same as Shri Krishna in terms of eight divine qualities.
But still he remains Jeev tatv and cannot become Mayadheesh or termed as Vishnutatv (i.e. governor of Maya).

2) NityaSidh Mahapurush: The one who in beginningless Bhakt of Shri Krishna.
There are two kind of Niyta siddh Mahapurush, one who are jeevtatv and one who are Vishnutatv (Like Asht MahaSakhi's).
In both cases the tatv remains in its original state.

I feel these states of Mahapurush do not matter for a Sadhak because Guru or Mahapurush is Shri Krishna Himself.
We need to surrender to him same as for Shri Krishna.
The Lord says: The one who claims to be my Bhakt is not the true devotee but the one who is Bhakt of my Bhakt is my true devotee.
In Bhakti we need to become like an innocent child, where one feels like below quotes,
picked from Gauydia discussion thread:

anAdiH sAdir vA paTur atimRdur vA pratipada-
pramIlat-kAruNyaH praguNa-karuNA-hIna iti vA |
mahA-vaikuNThezAdhika iha naro vA vraja-pater
ayaM sUnur goSThe pratijani mamAstAM prabhu-varaH ||

I don’t care if Krishna is beginningless
or was born at some time,
whether he is brilliant (Jagadguru uttama) or
a fool (mayavadi kapaTa sanyasi).
whether he is compassionate at every moment or
whether he is totally devoid of any quality of mercy.
I don’t even care whether he greater than Narayana,
the Lord of Vaikuntha, or
whether he is just an ordinary human being.

I only pray that this Son of the cowherd king
be my chosen Lord here in this land of Vraja,
birth after birth.

Pankaja dasa · Joined: 05 Dec 2005 Posts: 60

Mahapurusua is still classed as Jiva-tattva

rakeshsingh2 · Joined: 04 Sep 2007 Posts: 7

Pankaja dasa wrote: Mahapurusua is still classed as Jiva-tattva

Pankaja Prabhu; if you do not mind can you tell your Guru name?