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Ronaldinho · Joined: 30 Apr 2006 Posts: 2

Dear devotees, sorry for my kind of questions, but i don`t mean to ofend anyone, it's just questions that people makes me and i am left with no answer.

Ok, I would like to know why is that in Sastra it is forbiden to take sannyas and Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu himself is breacking that rule and preaching the opposite?
In the encarnation of Buddha, Buddha (Sri Krishna Himself) preached to desauthorise the Vedas.
We have also the fact that the lengage used in sastra is very confuse, not straigh forward.

So i would like to know why is it all so confuse. The Guru should preach according to sastra but we see that in order to put a new discipline some instructions of sastra are not followed.

mathuranath das · Joined: 25 Mar 2006 Posts: 20

Yes, Sanyas is not reccommended in Kali Yuga and yet Mahaprabhu has accepted it in order to spread the sankirtan movement, a special concession introduced by the Lord. The lineage or sampradaya - disciplic succession of the Gaudiya vaisnavas is not a bodily succession. It is what is called "rupanuga dhara" a flow of the Krsna consciousness conception through the lives of the great acharyas. Sometimes there is a physical gap but the conception is carried forward by the next empowered acharya. As in the case of Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur. He could not find a copy of Chaitanya Charitamrita in print and there were very few pure vaisnavas at that time, yet, by his pure devotion he created a renaissance which was then carried forward by Srila Bhakti Siddhanta Saraswat Thakur, my Guru Maharaj, Srila Sridhar Maharaj and his dear friend Srila Prabhupad Swami Maharaj (A.C. Bhaktivedanta), Srila Govinda Maharaj and others. We are all here having these discussions because of the mercy and vision of Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur.

It would be immensely helpful for you to read "Sri Guru and His Grace" by Srila Sridhar Maharaj. It contains all the answers to your questions in a very beautiful and highly realized way. Srila Prabhupad recommended us to take Shelter of Srila Sridhar Maharaj for further instruction and developement and himself said of Srila Sridhar Maharaj: " I consider Him to be my shiksa guru (instructing spiritual master) what to speak of the benefit others can gain from His association. A list of His books and realizations can be found at http://www.scsmath.com
The other point that I'm always hammering is service, service, service!
surrender - serve - realize. Krsna Consciousness is not and intellectual exersice or an armchair philosophy. Its not an ascending mechanical process that we climb up to by our will. Its all about relationship and service - rasa and seva. Rasa is realized through seva and the blessings of Gurudeva. If you really want to understand Lord Krsna and all the truths regarding vaishnava theology then it is an indespensible fact that our realization will corespond directly with our surrender and service to higher realized devotees. From service- revelation descends- and we are enriched by Krsna's internal potency yoga-maya...manifest in our lives as Sri Guru and vaishnava.

thano260 · Joined: 01 Nov 2006 Posts: 5

devotee wrote: Dear, where did you learn that taking Sanyaas is forbidden in Sastras ? Please let me know which Sastra you are talking about ? Buddhism & Krishna's philosophy are different & not same. Why are u trying to find the answer of question of one philosophy in the other ? How is it possible ?

God is too vast in all dimensions whatever we can think of. You can never have complete idea of him. We are so small in the face of vastness of God that confusion has to be there. In the whole of the universe, our galaxy is nothing more than a point & we cannot even cross this within our lifetime even by travelling with Speed of Light. It is not only that we don't know how big the universe is, we cannot even imagine how big it is.
Being such small, so weak, so helpless, having so little knowledge - confusion has to be there. Moreover, if there is no confusion, everybody would attain Niravan - the confusion is Maya & is necessary for God's world to continue.

Question (valid): Surely God, knowing everything, would take into account our ignorance and make this particular thing clearer? What about people that are mentally challenged (I'm not calling the original poster mentally challenged, by the way :P), who simply can't understand this particular argument but wish they did?

Answer (that can be applied to any argument): It could be considered a test of faith. Does the devotee accept the rule, knowing that God must have had His reasons for it, even if they are completely unclear and contradictory? Or does the devotee get entangled with wordly logic?

The answer is terrible.