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dasanudasa108

Conditioned souls, karma and liberation

Hare Krishna,

PAMHO-AGTSP!

I am very Thankful to one of my colleague Sri Giridhar who has sent the mail regarding Sri Arthur Ashe, the legendary Wimbledon player which inspired me to say something.

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From Giridhar:

>ONE PARAGRAPH THAT EXPLAINS LIFE!

>Arthur Ashe, the legendary Wimbledon player was dying of AIDS which he got due to infected blood he received during a heart surgery in 1983. From world over, he received letters from his fans, one of which conveyed: "Why does GOD have to select you for such a bad disease"?

>To this Arthur Ashe replied: The world over -- 5 million children start playing tennis, 50 thousand learn to play tennis, 5 thousand learn professional tennis, 50,000 come to the circuit, 5000 reach the grand slam, 50 reach Wimbledon, 4 to semi final, 2 to the finals, When I was holding a cup I never asked GOD "Why me?". And today in pain I should not be asking GOD "Why me?"
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Arthur Ashe, if he was remembering the Lord in happiness and sorrow then what he had said has some real meaning of life.

Other wise, he is not better then any atheist.

The perfection of Human life is “We should remember the Supreme Personality of Godhead in all conditions whether we are in happy/sorrow or in Profit/loss or fame/NOT-fame or somebody respects/not or win/loose or opulence/poverty …irrespective of all conditions” otherwise we are said to be “conditioned souls” and for all such conditioned souls the Lord is not responsible directly, but it is our own action/reaction (karma),what we do according to our own desires, for which the laws of nature is applied set by the Lord.(who is cause of all causes… Serva karana karanam)

And also I like to mention one more point that “The desire is not the cause of all our problems – but the problem is we forget the Lord who is the actual and original owner of everything”. In that forgetfulness we try to enjoy as I (I am the Master) and Mine (belongs to me), which is not correct and in fact it is an offence against the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krishna. Therefore the conditioned soul most of the time suffers, in fact always.

Therefore the scripture recommends - the process of devotional service, accept oneself as the servant (Dasa) of the Lord, which leads to liberation. This is perfect knowledge and perfection of all Human life.

Hari Bol,

Thank you,

Dasanudasa108

mathuranath das · Joined: 25 Mar 2006 Posts: 20

Sounds like Sri Arthur had a touch of saranagati... God bless him.

reminds me of this Bhagavatam verse....5.5.1

nayam deho deha bhjam nirloke
kastan kamanarhate vid bhujam ye
tapo divyam putraka yena sattvam
suddved yasmad brahma saukyam tvanantam

Lord Rsab told his sons: " of all living beings who have accepted bodies in this world, one who has been awarded this human form of life should not work hard day and night simply for sense gratification, which is available even for hogs and ** that eat stool. One should engage in penance and austerity to attain the divine position of devotional service. By such activity one's heart is purified and he attains unending spiritual happiness."

sridatta1 · Joined: 03 Aug 2005 Posts: 652 Location: india

dasanudasa108 wrote: Conditioned souls, karma and liberation

Hare Krishna,

PAMHO-AGTSP!

I am very Thankful to one of my colleague Sri Giridhar who has sent the mail regarding Sri Arthur Ashe, the legendary Wimbledon player which inspired me to say something.

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From Giridhar:

>ONE PARAGRAPH THAT EXPLAINS LIFE!

>Arthur Ashe, the legendary Wimbledon player was dying of AIDS which he got due to infected blood he received during a heart surgery in 1983. From world over, he received letters from his fans, one of which conveyed: "Why does GOD have to select you for such a bad disease"?

>To this Arthur Ashe replied: The world over -- 5 million children start playing tennis, 50 thousand learn to play tennis, 5 thousand learn professional tennis, 50,000 come to the circuit, 5000 reach the grand slam, 50 reach Wimbledon, 4 to semi final, 2 to the finals, When I was holding a cup I never asked GOD "Why me?". And today in pain I should not be asking GOD "Why me?"
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Arthur Ashe, if he was remembering the Lord in happiness and sorrow then what he had said has some real meaning of life.

Other wise, he is not better then any atheist.

The perfection of Human life is “We should remember the Supreme Personality of Godhead in all conditions whether we are in happy/sorrow or in Profit/loss or fame/NOT-fame or somebody respects/not or win/loose or opulence/poverty …irrespective of all conditions” otherwise we are said to be “conditioned souls” and for all such conditioned souls the Lord is not responsible directly, but it is our own action/reaction (karma),what we do according to our own desires, for which the laws of nature is applied set by the Lord.(who is cause of all causes… Serva karana karanam)

And also I like to mention one more point that “The desire is not the cause of all our problems – but the problem is we forget the Lord who is the actual and original owner of everything”. In that forgetfulness we try to enjoy as I (I am the Master) and Mine (belongs to me), which is not correct and in fact it is an offence against the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krishna. Therefore the conditioned soul most of the time suffers, in fact always.

Therefore the scripture recommends - the process of devotional service, accept oneself as the servant (Dasa) of the Lord, which leads to liberation. This is perfect knowledge and perfection of all Human life.

Hari Bol,

Thank you,

Dasanudasa108

Real Liberation & Salvation

This physical world, which consists of the inert objects like Sun, Moon, Stars
Air, Earth etc., is not the world, which is binding you and this is not
The world from which you have to attain the liberation or salvation
If you get salvation from this physical world it is called the death

Death is not the salvation since even after death you are bound by the bonds
The bonds are not with the physical world but they are with your family members
It is this family that constitutes your entire world from which you must be salvated

The physical world is real and it is unreal for the creator only and not for you
You are a part and parcel of this world and if you say that this world is unreal
You too become unreal, your unreal world is your own family, which is created
By yourself only and why this is unreal?

If you analyse, these bonds did not exist
Before this birth and do not exist after this birth and hence are not existing
During this birth also, Sankara told that temporary is always unreal
Therefore, Gita emphasizes for the detachment from these worldly bonds

Jesus goes one step further and advises you even to hate these family bonds
This is surprising but if you analyse, I should say, He is absolutely correct
If you analyse deeply, these family members deserve your hatred and not love
The reason is that these family members were very vehement enemies to you
In the previous birth you stole their hard earned property and fought with them
Now they have come to collect their wealth from you along with the
Compound interest, they are in the form of wife and children and you are bound

To pay them according to the force of Karma Chakra i.e., associated with Kala Chakra
Payment of loans is Karma Chakra and payment in this birth is Kala Chakra
The same is said “Runanubandha Rupena Pasu Patni Sutalayaah”
The three strongest bonds are with money, wife and children and these three
Are called as “Eeshanaas”, which are the stainless steel chains, which never
Corrode, the secret in the force of these three bonds is only the force of Karma
The Karma is the payment of the loans with interest and for that you have to earn
Therefore, you are forced by Karma to earn the money and that is the spontaneous
Attraction to the money, the Karma is dragging you to earn the money so that
You can pay to your enemies who are surrounding you for the collection of loans

Thus these three bonds are inter related and amalgamated by the force of Karma
These enemies are in the mask of friendship and love with you and you do not
Remember your previous birth, which is again due to the force of karma only
If you remember the previous birth and that enmity you will not repay the loan
Therefore, by the force of Karma Chakra only you do not remember previous birth
These enemies can collect their money only under the mask of love and friendship

These enemies are collecting their money in the form of work and also money
The mother repays the loan by doing work like bathing and clothing the children
Such sacrifice of work by the mother is coming under Karma Sanyasa
The father repays the money by giving his hard earned property to the children
And this repayment of direct wealth comes under Karma Phala Tyaga.

But these enemies are not satisfied with simple repayment of their loans
If a thief steals your money and if you catch him will you leave him
Just by taking your money? You will torture him and then only leave
Similarly, you have stolen their property and you tortured them
Therefore, they have caught the thief in this birth and collect their money
Apart from that they will torture you by dragging you down from the Lord

If you progress in your spiritual path and reach and please the Lord
You are saved permanently and attain eternal happiness here and there
Now these enemies obstruct your spiritual path and drag you back
From that Eternal divine benefit and due to that you will fall in this world-cycle
In this cycle, which is the permanent hell, you are tortured forever
By this, their vengeance is subsided and they stand around you even
In your last minutes so that you will be attracted by them then also

And you will not remember the Lord even in the last minute
This is the reason why all your family members reach you even before your death
They reach you when they hear that you are seriously ill, they are very alert
But you fool! You are not alert about them and remember them only even on the
Death bed! Is your this world not really unreal? You analyse the fact

I say this family world is the most unreal world because these bonds are not only
Unreal according to the analysis of Sankara, but also they are the bonds
Of enmity and so must be hated according to the Holy Jesus
You are thinking the enemy as your friend! How unreal is this bond?
First you come out of this unreal world created by you due to your past deeds

People say often that the world is unreal, yes! It is absolutely unreal
But the world is not this physical world created by the Lord
The unreal world is your family created by yourself due to your past karma

Similarly, your religion is another broader unreal world created by you
Your fellow religious people obstruct you from entering Universal spirituality
Because they are your enemies in the mask of friendship in this birth
You harmed them spiritually in the previous birth and therefore they have come
Now here as your friends belonging to the same religion and revenge upon you
When you come out of these two worlds, which are well and river
You will enter the Universal Spirituality, which is the infinite ocean