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premi1 · Joined: 08 Dec 2004 Posts: 3

Dear seeker,

Its really very nice to note that you are influenced by Kriapaluji Maharaj. I had a chance to meet him after my mentor told me about him. He is my sweet Guru. In his presence one can feel the love of Radha and Krishna. He is always doing Kripa(Grace) and one needs a open heart to recieve it.

Please write more about him and also I will post some words of Maharajji. His closest friend H D Prakashanandji Saraswati is always tellingus to remember him.

Have wonderful devotions.

premi1 · Joined: 08 Dec 2004 Posts: 3

Sir/Madam,

It is very nice to hear from Kripaluji Maharajs devotees. How did you hear about him? Have you visited the Barsanadham.org website. His intimate disciple Swami Prakashanandji Saraswati has started Barsanadham in Austin, Texas.

Please guard your devotion like one would guard a lamp. A much as your longing so much he will love. I visited him in India and have visited Barsanadham.

Any amount of longing for him is purely due to his Divine Grace. His association can be compared to a man on a ladder only on climbing up can you know whats there.

The sweetness of his association like how he often quotes for one in Divine love is " like a dumb person when asked to express in words how he enjoyed a sweet candy". It is for those who experience it.

Your blessed soul has longed for him, may you continue great devotions.

in his thoughts,

premi1

krishnakripa · Joined: 08 Jan 2005 Posts: 2

Dear devotees,

I have heard numerous times pravachans by the sannyasi preachers of Kriplau Maharaj and though I am a long-time follower of ISKCON, I must admit I was very impressed by their deep scriptural knowledge, sweet singing of bhajans and systematic preaching style.

However a couple of doubts do arise in my heart as I contemplate the life of Kripalu Maharaj as I read his official biography online. Krishna mentiones numerous times in the Gita the absolute need for a guru and an established sampradaya. I dont seem able to read anywhere that Kriplau Maharaj had a guru and some have told me that he is a nitya-siddha and so doesnt require a guru, something that doesnt particularly sit comfortable with me. Anyone knows more on this?

He appears to have been a contemporary of Srila Prabhupad, the founder of ISKCON at least in the 60s and 70s when Prabhupad was physically present. Anyone has heard what are Kripaluji Maharaj's opinions on Prabhupad, ISKCON and in general its root Gaudiya Vaisnava sampradaya?

Thanks
Hare Krsna!

premi1 · Joined: 08 Dec 2004 Posts: 3

Radhey Radhey,

Kripaluji Maharaj, is always in bhav. These bhav symtoms are mentioned by Chaitanya Mahaprabhu as tears, horripilations, choking, goosebumps etc. In his association , one can realise that he has come to do Kripa(Grace) and Kripa only he does.

His lectures are inspiring. Yes, we cannot understand GOD or Mahapurushas but thats because we are in Maya. Maya is his deputy with her "trigunas" namely Sattvic(goodness), Rajas(Passion) and Tamsic(ignorance). Maya has two qualities Sriji says
1 it makes us forget our relation with GOD and
2 the other being it makes us get indulged in the world

Maya is his energy hence very strong and powerful. He explains that it can be compared to handcuffs on a prisoner, only the person who locked it can open it but the handcuffs are not discared it put on someone else. We can ask with tears in our eyes to our beloved Bhagavan , he advises

a) I am so fallen but you are DHEENABANDHU(lifter of fallen ones) please lift me. I am fallen but you are the lifter so please lift me.
b) I am so sinful that I don't even want to admit that I am sinful indeed You are PATITPAVAN(redeemer of sinful souls). I am sinful but only you can redeem me.

Maharajji's words are so wonderful and it is only his Kripa to even speak or contemplate on his words.

Jiva, Maya and Bhagavan are eternal and have been there eternally. we have seen him in several janmas(births) Sriji says. It is only due to our ignorance we have not realised him. It is hard to understand a Mahapurusha because they report to the Spiritual government. Many have been married and done several deeds that would contradict our mayic governing law. He says that their deeds are governed by YOGAMAYA the same energy which he uses to create the world and to do his leelas.

He quotes the example of Hanuman and Arjuna who have killed several people but had RAM and SHYAM in their minds. Their deeds were not sinful because their minds were consumed by him. We cannot comprehend their states or actions. It will be very contradictory to our material world.

The Mahapurusha's deeds are like that, very hard to understand by our mayic minds. The often quoted analogy of Sriji is a snake curls and bends and moves around but when it goes in to it snake hole it becomes very straight and enters in. The Mahapurusha may seem to do the bodily deeds of the world but he is goverend by spiritual government, he says.

will continue

mohit mehta · Joined: 10 Apr 2005 Posts: 7 Location: India

Hii everybody
This is mohit mehta from India. u would be very glad to know that i have seen Jagadguru Shri Kripalu Ji Maharaj several times personally.He has such a Divine Personality that cannot be defined in words.Once you saw Him you would definitely forget everything. In order to know more about Shri Maharaj ji please visit His site " www.jkp.org" and you would find yourself in Divine World.

dr.jaya · Joined: 26 Apr 2005 Posts: 4 Location: USA

Namaste all. I was invited to this forum by my best friend, Premi. :D

mohan · Joined: 01 May 2005 Posts: 4 Location: India

GURUR KRIPALUR MAM SHARNAM, VANDE HUM SAD GURU SHARNAM..
RADHE RADHE.
WELL I WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY FOLLOWERS OF SHREE KRIPALUJI MAHARAJ R THERE IN THEI GROUP. I AM HIS FOLLOWER AND A SATSANGI FROM MY BIRTH. I COULD ASSURE EVERY ONE THAT HIS SANI

SO RADHE RADHE.

premi1 wrote: Dear seeker,

Its really very nice to note that you are influenced by Kriapaluji Maharaj. I had a chance to meet him after my mentor told me about him. He is my sweet Guru. In his presence one can feel the love of Radha and Krishna. He is always doing Kripa(Grace) and one needs a open heart to recieve it.

Please write more about him and also I will post some words of Maharajji. His closest friend H D Prakashanandji Saraswati is always tellingus to remember him.

Have wonderful devotions.

mohan · Joined: 01 May 2005 Posts: 4 Location: India

mohan wrote: GURUR KRIPALUR MAM SHARNAM, VANDE HUM SAD GURU SHARNAM..
RADHE RADHE.
WELL I WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY FOLLOWERS OF SHREE KRIPALUJI MAHARAJ R THERE IN THEI GROUP. I AM HIS FOLLOWER AND A SATSANGI FROM MY BIRTH. I COULD ASSURE EVERY ONE THAT HIS SANIDHYA GIVES ETERNAL INTERNAL RLIEF AND THE TIME U R WITH HIM, HELPS U IN MANYWAYS. HIS LOVE AND KNOLEDGE LETS U TO BE A BHAKT OF SHREEKRISHNA AND WITH HIP, IN SADHNA SATSANG, U COULD JUST CLEAN UR MIND WITH ALL BAD THOUGHTS. I CAN ESSURE THAT WHEN U R WITH HIM, U DONT EVEN WANT TO THINK ABOUT ANY THING ELSE IN THIS UNIVERSE. EVERY ONE IN THIS THREAD SHOULD VISIT TO HIM ONCE.

SO RADHE RADHE.

premi1 wrote: Dear seeker,

Its really very nice to note that you are influenced by Kriapaluji Maharaj. I had a chance to meet him after my mentor told me about him. He is my sweet Guru. In his presence one can feel the love of Radha and Krishna. He is always doing Kripa(Grace) and one needs a open heart to recieve it.

Please write more about him and also I will post some words of Maharajji. His closest friend H D Prakashanandji Saraswati is always tellingus to remember him.

Have wonderful devotions.

dr.jaya · Joined: 26 Apr 2005 Posts: 4 Location: USA

na dIkSAsyAH zikSA zravaNa paThane vA gurumukhAt |
tathApIyaM rAdhA trijagad abalA vismaya bhuvAm ||
kalAmbodheH zaurer api parama santoSaNa kRtAM |
kalAnAm AcArya vraja mRgadRzAm apy ajani sA ||

Though Sri Radhika never took formal initiation,
nor did She receive training through reading or
by verbal devotional instructions for practice,
still She gives the highest bliss to Krishna,
the blissful Ocean of all Divine arts.
This slender Girl Who astonishes the ladies
of the three worlds, is even the Preceptress of
amorous arts to the doe-eyed maidens of Vraja.

mohit mehta · Joined: 10 Apr 2005 Posts: 7 Location: India

Radhe Radhe to all.

I m a devotee of His Excellency
jagadguru Shree Kripalu Mahaprabhu. Searching for a friend who is Shree Maharaj ji's Devotee and is Indian.
Please Reply.

Pankaja dasa · Joined: 05 Dec 2005 Posts: 60

Chaitanya Bhagavata
Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura-

Although the sinful, hellish, Mayavadi brahma-rakshasa of Radha-desa introduced himself as Gopala to everyone, the devotees , rather than calling him Gopala, called him a false logician Mayavadi jackal. (“Those who cultivate material knowledge take birth as jackals in their next lives.”)

Within a hundred years after the disappearance of Mahaprabhu some foolish atheists rejected their gurus and advertised themselves as incarnations of the Supreme Lord.

Pankaja-Please refer to where it says the devotees. No Devotee will accept your statement.

--
http://www.krsnaconsciousness.org/Gauranga/Zip/Chaitanya-Bhagavata-nvf.zip
Vraja-press The purports of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura illuminate the text, reveal the essence of pure devotional service, and reject that which is not in strict accordance with the line of Rupa Gosvami.

..and translation of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura's chapter summaries and purports. [They were Originally in Bengali] Done by Disicples of Srila Prabhupada!

mohit mehta · Joined: 10 Apr 2005 Posts: 7 Location: India

Radhey Radhey friends

This is Mohit Mehta from India. Gud day to all. I m a devotee of His Excellency Jagadguru Shree Kripalu Ji Maharaj and i want some of the recent poses of Shree Maharaj ji. Would u be kind enough to sent me some of the poses of Shree Maharaj ji.
U know that Shree Maharaj ji inagurated the Bhakti Mandir- one of His Dream Project- recently in Mangarh Dham- His birth Place.
waiting for the reply
Mohit

Pankaja dasa · Joined: 05 Dec 2005 Posts: 60

Dear Mohit Mehta

Your Gurudeva says you always need a Guru.

How come he don't have a Guru himself?

Even Krsna accepted Guru and Gauranga.

Which Parampara does your Guru belong/?

Or has your Gurudeva rejected his Guru? As do the Mayavadis after they become 'God'.

Pankaja dasa · Joined: 05 Dec 2005 Posts: 60

Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu predicted

Sruti: (alphabetic order)
Atharva Veda, third khanda, Brahma-vibhaga

ito 'ham krta-sannyaso 'vatarisyami sa-guno nirvedo
niskamo bhu-girbanas
tira-stho 'lakanandayah kalau catuh-sahasrabdhopari
panca-sahasrabhyantare gaura-varno dirghangah
sarva-laksana-yukta
isvara-prarthito nija-rasasvado bhakta-rupo
misrakhyo vidita-yogah syam

Translation
"Towards the end of the period between four-thousand to five thousand years in Kali-yuga, I will descend on the earth as Gauranga, a golden-complexioned saintly brahmana in a place by the Ganges' shore and later become the crest-jewel of all sannyasis, exhibiting all My transcendental qualities including supreme renunciation and complete detachment from material desires. In the form of Lord Gauranga, I will display all the thirty-two bodily symptoms of a great personality with my arms extending to my knees. I will become my own devotee, very advanced in bhakti-yoga and teach the worship of Lord Krsna (Myself) by the chanting of My own holy names and relishing the mellows of My own devotional service. At that time only My most confidential devotees will be able to understand Me."

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Kripaluji Maharaja's hands are not extending to his knees. I saw in a picture so I can confirm it. His Parents should have the names 'Jagannatha Misra and Saci-devi'. According to Bhagavatam there is a certain amount of Avatara's. The Next is Kalki Avatara. And it is stated that Krishna always accepts a Guru-Parampara or Guru [Spiritual master]. And He also displays many pastimes which attract this Entire Creation. So far as I can see Kripaluji has attracted a few followers with his mystic powers [yes I know he has them] and gained some appreciation. That doesn't make somebody an Incarnation. It makes them a 'mytic yogi' This is Kali-yuga so we can expect it to happen I guess. Just look at Sai baba he attracts followers through his mystic powers.

The devotees also have this power but they don't misuse it, they always say they are servants of God. And they always take shelter of Guru and Krishna. There is the unique difference between the two personalities. One is cheap the other is not.

So I Beg followers of Kripaluji to see sence and stop saying he is something that he is not. Please don't say foolish things like 'Maybe he is God', you can confirm yourself whether he is or not with one simple 'sight'. It says a Great Personality has arms which extend down to his knees. [Krishna, Rama etc]. So check and see. This is Form which even a material person can see. That is why it says in scripture so people can check. Otherwise why even mention it in scripture? If we cannot check ourseleves. Simply bogus.

varadaraja sharma · Joined: 31 Mar 2006 Posts: 53

Radhe Krishna,

Pankaja dasji, Radhe Krishna -u posted some serious allegations in they contribute -in the thread about kripalu maharaj. U may repost it here so that his devotees can answer that.

I am neither a devotee of Kripaluji nor of ISKCON.

I am interested in krishna Bhakthi. Discussions on krishna bhakthi.

still exchange of hate messages takes priority over krishna talk.

some of what I have written in the other thread, I hope I should reproduce here.

A scriptural quote :

"Acharyeshvapi sarveshu taratamyam vina kalau
Shudham Bhagavatham Dharmam Jagraha"

this means in the times of kali, dont see the differences in philosophies of great acharyas which have many differences but see the common thread in all philosophies viz., the Bhagavatha Dharmam, in spite of these differences in philosophies.

the person who wrote about Kripalu maharaj, I love krishna said that he was Jagatguru and lord krishna himself.

For that matter even Shankaracharya did not call himself Jagatguru. A good lot of great souls called him Jagatguru. For shri. I love krishna shri kripalu maharaj may be jagatguru. for me he is one among many gurus who preach krishna bhakthi.
then he said he is lord krishna. that is his samskaram.

Scriptures say

Gurur Brahma gurur vishnu gurur devo maheshwaraha
guru sakshath param brahma tasmay shri gurave namaha

A perfect shishya sees the holy trinity in his guru. It is from this angle i view what is said by ilovekrishna. For that matter out of scriptural guidance every shishya view his guru as lord himself.

coming to ur verdict that he is not guru at all.

i am sorry to say this pankaj.

i do not find any basis on this. this is only bias.

honestly u tell me have u gone through even a piece of couplets penned by shri krpalu maharaj. Shri ilovekrishna have listed a good lot of works penned by maharaj. I have not gone through even a single one of them to be honest. with the same honesty i admit that having not even knowing what a person has said, it is only out of bias or prejudic or heresay u come to an opinion that kripalu maharaj is not guru.

if u dont agree with what is written in his works, study them dispute them.

with out making any basis for ur comment, if u simply comment, i am sorry it is simply a political statement.

Now the question about whether every person should have guru?

Purandara Dasa said:

"Gurubina gulama aguvadenaja dorakuvadilla bhakthi"

With out Guru one can not attain bhakthi

Shankaracharya said :

"Sareeram sorupam tatava kalatram
..........manaschenna lagnam gurorangri padme tataha kim ....

Even if a person has healthy body, beautiful look and a good wife et all - what use of all these if he does not have a guru.

Yes for any personn to progress in the path of bhakthi, he needs guru.

Then the question arise whether all the great sants of india who guided and became guru had themselves guru as such.

I give below a few exceptions:

Nivruthi, Gnanadev, sopana, Mukthabai

three brothers and one sister. Bhakthas of vittalnath in pandarpur. by names they indicate the steps to mukthi.

The three brothers were believed to be avatar of the trinity brahma, vishnu and mahesh. In the Brahmana Agrahara after the demise of their parents, the brahmins were not even ready to give them the sacred thread ceremony. But they were exalted souls. Gnanadev was mocked by the brahmins of pandarpur when he said I see Paanduranga in all - they asked whether u see paanduranga in the buffaloe in ur front - he said yes - then they asked then whether the panduranga could recite vedas - he said - yes. The brahmin asked the janthu to recite vedas. if did not respond. Gnanadev said paanduranga please recite the vedas - it started reciting it.

Gnanadev told them if u see buffaloe in this it would be so and behave so. I see vittalnath in all and he reacted so. For this santh vittalnath was the guru.

Sant kabir wanted to take initiation from Raamananda. The ashramites mocked at him being a muslim and did not even allow him inside the ashram. sorrowfully on the steps of gangaghats of benaras without taking food kabir wept and slept. That day night Shriram came in the dream of Raamananda and told him that one of his bhakthas was not allowed to enter the ashram and he was humiliated. Contemplating on this Raamananda went to ganga ghats to do pratha anushtana. while stepping down the steps he felt like his foot touching a human body and he yelled "Jai sitaram". Enough, kabir woke up and started dancing saying maharaj I got my diksha and went away.

Rather than seeing the history of a guider who provides u something, it is very important for everybody to carefully see as to what is being provided. Even if a person hails from established guru parampara but preaches something against the scriptures, there is no fun in following him. he will fall by his own weight. Even if a person does not hail from a established parampara, if he preaches something which are as per the scriptures there is nothing in following the instructions.

because bhagawan himself has said:

"Shruthi smruthir mamaivagya"

The serious allegations made by Pankaja dasa about kripaluji may only be answered by his sishyas.

But But for the sake of god, I request one all with folded hands, rather than showing sampradaya bhakthi or parampara bhakthi could we all raise above to krishna bhakthi.

Radhe krishna