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Radian · Joined: 28 Jun 2005 Posts: 19 Location: NEW YORK , USA

I HAVE STUDIED THIS THEORY THAT LORD KRISHNA AND JESUS CRIST IS THE SAME PERSON REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE HOLD BIBLE SAY ABOUT JESUS CRIST.MY MOTHER SAYS THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF LORD KRISHNA AND I BELEIVE THIS BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE NAMES KRISHNA AND CRIST IT ALMOST PRONUNSE THE SAME.IN THE GITA LORD KRISHNA SAY'S 'THAT PEOPLE WHO WORSHIP OTHER GODS ACTUALLY WORSHIP ME BUT THEY DO SO IN A WRONG WAY'.

WHAT DO YOU THINK.

Nicholas · Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 5:06 pm Post subject:

We are all Krishna's children so that doesn't really solve the problem here does it???
For one who is so inclined, read "The Path of the Masters" by Julian Johnson for answers about Jesus and His relation to God. It is thorough and utterly absorbing.

Hare Krishna

Sri Joyan · Joined: 01 Mar 2005 Posts: 35

Radian wrote: I HAVE STUDIED THIS THEORY THAT LORD KRISHNA AND JESUS CRIST IS THE SAME PERSON REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE HOLD BIBLE SAY ABOUT JESUS CRIST.MY MOTHER SAYS THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF LORD KRISHNA AND I BELEIVE THIS BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE NAMES KRISHNA AND CRIST IT ALMOST PRONUNSE THE SAME.

WHAT DO YOU THINK.

Jesus lived two thousand years ago, Krsna lived five thousand years ago.

=)

Bhakta John · Joined: 02 Jan 2006 Posts: 9 Location: Michigan

There is no character mentioned in the original text
of the Bible that is Jesus. His name is Yashua.
His father is named YHVH (Jahovah). In the Bible
we are told that the advasary is a bejeweled
flute playing lacivious youth. We are also warned
against doctrines of demons in 2 Timothy.

A Bishop in the Russian Orthodox Church in Russia
recently stated that Krsna is Satan.......

May the Truth Prevail

honeyflowerservant · Joined: 03 Oct 2005 Posts: 76

—This lecture was originally published in The Harmonist
in 1936, on the advent day of His Divine Grace Om
Vishnuupada Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur

By His Divine Grace
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
Founder-Acharya of the International Society
for Krishna Consciousness

In ten short years, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada inundated the world with Krishna Consciousness. In the following excerpt from one of his essays, he smashes the sectarian misconception that the spiritual master is limited to a particular person, form, or institution, and establishes the universal conception of guru.

Quote:
In the revealed scriptures it is declared that the
spiritual master should be worshiped like the Supreme
Personality of Godhead, and this injunction is obeyed
by pure devotees of the Lord. The spiritual master is the
most confidential servant of the Lord. Thus let us offer
our respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of our spiritual
master....

.... Thus it has been enjoined herewith that in order to
receive that transcendental knowledge, one must
approach the guru. Therefore, if the Absolute Truth is
one, about which we think there is no difference of
opinion, the guru cannot be two. The ÅchÅryadeva to
whom we have assembled tonight to offer our humble
homage is not the guru of a sectarian institution or one
out of many differing exponents of the truth. On the
contrary, he is the jagad-guru, or the guru of all of us: the
only difference is that some obey him wholeheartedly,
while others do not obey him directly.

Jaya Srila Prabhupada

madhu · Joined: 02 Nov 2005 Posts: 37 Location: london

Sri Joyan wrote:
Jesus lived two thousand years ago, Krsna lived five thousand years ago.

=)
Jaya Srila Prabupada, No offence Prabhuji..just joking...Sri Krishna & Lord Jesus Christ may have appeared 5000 and 2000 yrs ago respectively, but i am very happy to report, that they are both very much still alive.....Jaya Srila Gurudeva. Ps Srila Prabupada is also alive,
May you never forget The Blessed Lord ..YS Madhu

honeyflowerservant · Joined: 03 Oct 2005 Posts: 76

Srila Prabhupada: Actually, it doesn't matter -- Krishna or Christ -- the name is the same. The main point is to follow the injunctions of the Vedic scriptures that recommend chanting the name of God in this age. The easiest way is to chant the maha-mantra: Hare Krishna Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna Hare Hare/ Hare Rama Hare Rama, Rama Rama Hare Hare. Rama and Krishna are names of God and Hare is the energy of God. So when we chant the maha-mantra we address God along with His energy. This energy is of two kinds, the spiritual and the material. At present we are in the clutches of the material energy. Therefore we pray to Krishna that He may kindly deliver us from the service of the material energy and accept us into the service of the spiritual energy. This is our whole philosophy. Hare Krishna means, "O energy of God, O God (Krishna), please engage me in Your service." It is our nature to render service. Somehow or other we have come to the service of material things, but when this service is transformed into the service of the spiritual energy, then our life is perfect. To practice bhakti-yoga [loving service to God] means to become free from designations like Hindu, Muslim, Christian, this or that, and simply to serve God. We have created Christian, Hindu and Mohammedan religions, but when we come to a religion without designations, in which we don't think we are Hindus or Christians or Mohammedans, then we can speak of pure religion, or bhakti.

Father Emmanuel: Mukti? [liberation from material miseries]

Srila Prabhupada: No, bhakti. When we speak of bhakti, mukti is included. Without bhakti, there is no mukti, but if we act on the platform of bhakti, then mukti is included.

abhishek · Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 2

Maybe someone can explain to me, but I have some doubts...

Now If Krishna is the father of Jesus, and Jesus is a "God" but the son of "the God Krishna" then they must have the same manerism or idealism.
Jesus said in his bible, "I and my father are one." So we must see oneness between Lord Krishna and Jesus. But I dont see this...
It is written that Jesus is perfect, never made any errors, and Jesus says he does not his own will, but his father that is in heaven. If Krishna is the father of Jesus, then Jesus and Krishna must do and be the same in many ways. But I dont see this
Here are Examples...
When Jesus was young he was at the temples, preaching truth in the temples. He spokes to scholars and was very educated in the truth.
It is said, that when Lord Krishna was young, he saw a man having sex with his wife, by looking through the house window. While watching them make love, he decided to throw a poisonous Scorpion in the bed, while they were having sex.

Jesus for one had no wives, and he said it was a sin to marry more than one wife...
It is said, That Lord Krishna had 6 thousand wives.

Jesus said do not lust after another woman, and he also said not to steal.
It is said, that Lord Krishna would take womans clothing while they took baths in lakes.

Jesus said he and his father are one, I do not see how Krishna and Lord Jesus are the same. Please explain, I want to learn.

madhu · Joined: 02 Nov 2005 Posts: 37 Location: london

abhishek wrote: Maybe someone can explain to me, but I have some doubts...

Now If Krishna is the father of Jesus, and Jesus is a "God" but the son of "the God Krishna" then they must have the same manerism or idealism.
Jesus said in his bible, "I and my father are one." So we must see oneness between Lord Krishna and Jesus. But I dont see this...
It is written that Jesus is perfect, never made any errors, and Jesus says he does not his own will, but his father that is in heaven. If Krishna is the father of Jesus, then Jesus and Krishna must do and be the same in many ways. But I dont see this
Here are Examples...
When Jesus was young he was at the temples, preaching truth in the temples. He spokes to scholars and was very educated in the truth.
It is said, that when Lord Krishna was young, he saw a man having sex with his wife, by looking through the house window. While watching them make love, he decided to throw a poisonous Scorpion in the bed, while they were having sex.

Jesus for one had no wives, and he said it was a sin to marry more than one wife...
It is said, That Lord Krishna had 6 thousand wives.

Jesus said do not lust after another woman, and he also said not to steal.
It is said, that Lord Krishna would take womans clothing while they took baths in lakes.

Jesus said he and his father are one, I do not see how Krishna and Lord Jesus are the same. Please explain, I want to learn.
Hare Krsna..Abhishek, All Glories to you..my name is Madhu,
Lord Jesus descended in order to show us how to behave as good sons & devoted servants of The Supreme Autocratic Lord.
Lord Krsna IS that very Lord! He is the Supreme Enjoyer, and He descended to display His pastimes, which may appear similar to our's but are pure and uncontaminated by lust and malice. Krsna is absolute and His deeds give pleasure to all, even His so-called stealing.. How can God steal what He owns anyway? Our stealing & cheating causes pain to others... Krsna's deeds only give joy. We are here trying to imitate Him.. Lord Jesus shows us how to surrender to Krsna & return home. Also,you say.. "So we must see oneness between Lord Krishna and Jesus. But I don't see this..." This is a presumption on your part, The Supreme is by nature SUPREME...so there is no question of "must", if so, then "must" would be God. Also, you say " If Krishna is the father of Jesus, then Jesus and Krishna must do and be the same in many ways. But I dont see this"
We see what God allows us to see. He is the Supreme Hypnotist.
Also, who says Jesus had no wives, are they bona fide? Actually Sri Krsna has 1,008 wives, but He has 1,008 forms also..i hope i have been of some help. i gotta go, my beautiful baby is feeling sick. Gauranga.

abhishek · Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 2

My friend you have some very valid points...

Quote: Lord Jesus descended in order to show us how to behave as good sons & devoted servants of The Supreme Autocratic Lord.

Yes, you are right, Jesus did say he was the way, truth, and the life. And we both agree He is the manifestation of God, but with different opinions on whom the father is. Now I have a hard time believing your words. See there are many Lord Krishna devotees, and they admit Jesus is God, and he is an example. But why dont they do what he says? If he is the light shining to God (?Krishna? ) then why dont most Krishna devotees follow his teachings?

Quote: Actually Sri Krsna has 1,008 wives, but He has 1,008 forms also..i hope i have been of some help

I have a few doubts that maybe you can answer... Lord Krishna has many forms, or manifestations. And they are all examples for the people to learn and follow. Yet they almost all teach things in contrary to eachother. They are not consistent.

Nearly 3000 years back the Aryans came to India, and they have written to Hindu literary and scriptures, like Mahabharatham. In the Mahabharatham you find Brahmans. The Indian history claims that the Brahmans came to India nearly 3 thousand years ago. But the Stories that they have written are from over 3 thousad years ago. If they came to India 3 thousand years ago, how can these stories that they were written, take place in India and at the same time exist so long ago, if they only came 3 thousand years ago?

Jesus Christ is consistant... and his teachings make no error.

sundara7631 · Joined: 20 Jan 2006 Posts: 3 Location: new vrindavana

dear sir, very respectfully I must reply, Krishna is called achintya or inconcievable, in other words HE is beyond our material senses or reasoning power to understand. All His activities are pure and faultless, and all the activities of this world are but shadow or perverted reflections of them. All we can do is commit offences by judging Krishna according to our imperfect senses. It is stated the senses must become completely purified to undernd Krishna properly and even serve Him, To say the trees in the reflection of the lake are the same as the one's one's the land is simply rediculous. Anyway, Krishna is only understood in truth, by approaching a bonafide spiritual master with complete submission and a service attitude. The challenging attitude only makes offenses and blocks one from having any hope of understanding Krishna. Krishna says that Himself in His most celebrated song, the Bhagavad-gita. If we an not even understand our real identity as eternal souls and servants of God, how we to understand God, Himself. Only Krishna's devotees see Him everywhere, in everyone's heart, because they see only spiritually and not materially. Krishna is simply not material, and right now, our mind, intelligence and bodys and senses are all material. Thus, we must become spiritualised by fully engaging ourselves in the service of Krishna's pure representative first, really and when our eyes have been tinged by the spiritual salve of love, than only will be able to see and understand the all attractive, all charming form of Krishna, known as Shyamasundara , Krishna can expand Himself into unlimited Forms, so therefor His expanding Himself to be with His 1,108 wives was an insignificant show of Krishna's ability Prabhupada said. Krishna is simply unlimited in every respect, and no one is equal to or greater than Him. And Krishna comes to this world Himself or through His Servants also to manifest uncommon activities, no possible for any common man to perform. To try to judhe Krishna is as foolish as a frog trying to judge the ocean, and only after he simply heard about it. All he can do is make comprisons from the pond he lives in, it is simply not possible for Him to concieve. Krishna says Knowledge about Him is transcendental and most confidential knowledge and onl His deotees can understand Him, in truth... That is all...

Sara · Joined: 08 Feb 2006 Posts: 4

Jesus has no father! He has a mother only, her name was Mary. And she was a virgin. If Mary was a virgin, then how is't possible that Jesus would have a father? So how can you guys are linking Krishna and Jesus? If you have some Scripture to proof this statement then do it so. Don't just make an assumption only because their names are similar...

~Believe the Truth Only~

Angelallah · Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 3

NO! You have the Father energy and the Mother energy from these comes the twins Jesus and Lucifer.
These two twins act on the divine level and are to guide the humans. Then there is the Ancients, these are the ones who created the human bodies.
Above the Divine Mother /Father is the Eternal level. the eternal Mother. Krishna's energy (yahweh) comes from the Eternal Mother/ Ancients.
How do I know I carry the energy of Rama the twin of Yahweh, I expect to be tossed off this list in due time but by that time the seeds will be sown. Why has Iskcon no energy, Since Yahweh was ordered to step back the energy has become less.
No Krishna is not supreme there is always more. The Cosmos always expands. There is always a greater behind any great. Only in the 3D can there be Gods, Elsewhere all energies exist in equality.
Ask within your heart for there you will find the Divine Mother which is the same as the para-atma.
I am not proposing beliefs. Go past beliefs and accept only what you know. Toss beliefs out then if it is true it will come back.
The Earth is about to under go some big time changes, The Iskcon teaching of Kaliyuga no longer applies.
I request all to live by the three principles of Equality, Unity and Truth. The age of gurus is over. All can connect. Beyond the Eternal is the One. This One is not the ** the devotees talk about as being the light from krishna. I have great respect for devotees but most are blind leading the blind.
Can everyone walk side by side with me? This we will see.

Sara · Joined: 08 Feb 2006 Posts: 4

Angelallah wrote: NO! You have the Father energy and the Mother energy from these comes the twins Jesus and Lucifer.

What do you exactly mean by this statement? Don't you believe or agree that Mary, mother of Jesus, was a virgin?

~Believe Only The Thruth~

pardeep saini · Joined: 22 Jan 2006 Posts: 3

@ abhishek
hare krishna prabhu!
i would like to add that christ and jesus are different in words.
christ stands for god and jesus stands for the one who is mentioned as son of god. and there is one more thing jesus was married to a lady named "marry mangdela". although the truth was not revealed to the world. if u want to know more just read "da vinci code" a novel.